Is there any other way of investigating these issues without mentioning the names of the scholarship awardees? I don’t think anyone is criticising the awardees themselves - they are obviously grateful at having been selected and we certainly don’t resent their having the opportunity. I am always amused (amazed?) however, at every Wikimania I have attended, at the number of people who stand up when Jimbo asks his regular question: 'Stand up all those who have been to a Wikimania X times?’ Considering the geographical distances between locations, and the personal expense, it surprises me that so many have been many times - or were those the WMF staff?
Kudpung > On 30, May2018, at 14:02, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > > Viswaprabha highlights a reason why some people may be appearing to get > Montreal and CapeTown. > > Where as Kudpung is highlighting that over time some people seam to get many > scholarship opportunities to attend, while others miss out or perpetually end > up on the wait list. > > I dont think Kudpung is picking on Viswaprabha in any specific way, just > enquiring if the three other listed Wikimanias were all scholarships along > with capetown. > > Personally I've only once got WMF scholarship to washington, once I was asked > by the chapter to represent them in london, I have applied for a few others > and been unsuccessful, > > Yes its unfortunate that some people appear to get more opportunities while > others miss out, understanding the mechanics of how & why that happens is an > important part of the processes being reviewed and improved. > > In some ways such issues need seek personal information because that does > inform others. I do wonder how much of the application information is taken > in good faith and how much is reviewed, because we know that filling in forms > for such activities is skill set that some people have the ability to over > promote themselves while others struggle in relating the good work they are > doing -- this part is no way intended to reflect on Viswaprabha, I > appreciate Viswaprabha took the time to highlight a personal event that is > impacting this discussion in a non normal way. > > On 30 May 2018 at 14:45, Siebrand Mazeland <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue, and > where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in a > general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not be > getting the long or short end of the stick? > > -- > Siebrand > > Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > het volgende geschreven: > >> Visswaprabha, >> >> '2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.' >> >> and for how many of those did you get a scholarship? >> >> Kudpung >> >>> On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Just for the information of all those who read this thread, >>> I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration >>> process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at >>> Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then >>> obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian >>> visa' problem. >>> So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please >>> reset your counters. >>> My total Wikimania participation till date: >>> 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico. >>> >>> Regards, >>> User:Viswaprabha >>> >>> >>> On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving >>> scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not >>> receive one. >>> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to >>> inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not only >>> does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on the >>> users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious waste of >>> volunteers' time. >>> >>> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own >>> participation in the conference multiple times should also be given >>> priority consideration. >>> >>> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and >>> difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee >>> member, I think I have some experience in these maters. >>> >>> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which >>> often result in attendees’ negative experience. >>> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania >>> place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former >>> conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned >>> from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds >>> should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the >>> organisation of such an important event. >>> >>> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply >>> rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may >>> be a step towards addressing these issues. >>> >>> Kudpung >>> >>>> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote: >>>>> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired >>>>> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users >>>>> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on. >>>> >>>> Hi to all, >>>> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would >>>> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type >>>> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters. >>>> >>>> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any >>>> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have >>>> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of >>>> months after the official Wikimania. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> /gheorghe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get >>>>> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving >>>>> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using >>>>> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated >>>>> scholarships. >>>>> >>>>> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship >>>>> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt >>>>> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community >>>>> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that >>>>> community is being mocked on. >>>>> >>>>> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but >>>>> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most >>>>> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies. >>>>> >>>>> ~user:Praveenp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >>>>> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this >>>>> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other >>>>> two got selected. >>>>> >>>>> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I >>>>> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which >>>>> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially >>>>> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would >>>>> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request >>>>> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it >>>>> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the >>>>> process (high level). >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately >>>>> could comment. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Lodewijk >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the >>>>> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two >>>>> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them. >>>>> >>>>> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also. >>>>> >>>>> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread, >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html> >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html>> >>>>> >>>>> ~User:Praveenp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote: >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the >>>>> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town, >>>>> South Africa. >>>>> >>>>> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently >>>>> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are >>>>> listed by usernames and the list is posted >>>>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions: >>>>> >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3Chttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars%3ESubmissions:> >>>>> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations. >>>>> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week. >>>>> >>>>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program >>>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program> >>>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program >>>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled >>>>> program in June. >>>>> >>>>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone >>>>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If >>>>> >>>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration%3Ehttps://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3Chttps://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation%3EIf> >>>>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff, >>>>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with >>>>> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any >>>>> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at >>>>> wikimedia.org >>>>> <http://wikimedia.org/><https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>>Please >>>>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team >>>>> >>>>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia >>>>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>> >>>>> >>>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> > > > > > -- > GN. > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page > <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra > <http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra> > Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com > <http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/> > Out now: A.Gaynor, P. 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