I think this is the point where we are deviating from the original issue, and where I feel things are getting way too personal. Can we please stay in a general topic and refrain from analyzing who in particular may or may not be getting the long or short end of the stick?
-- Siebrand > Op 30 mei 2018 om 08:42 heeft CS <[email protected]> het volgende geschreven: > > Visswaprabha, > > '2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico.' > > and for how many of those did you get a scholarship? > > Kudpung > >> On 30 May 2018, at 13:28, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Just for the information of all those who read this thread, >> I did not get selected this year through the normal scholarship filtration >> process. I happen to be among those who could not attend Wikimania 2017 at >> Montreal, even after going through all these bashing and grillings and then >> obtaining a valid scholarship last year, due to the so called 'Canadian >> visa' problem. >> So, for me, scholarship to Wikimania 2018 was an automatic fall-in. Please >> reset your counters. >> My total Wikimania participation till date: >> 2012 Washington DC, 2014 London, 2015 Mexico. >> >> Regards, >> User:Viswaprabha >> >> >>> On 30 May 2018 at 06:19, cs <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I am also concerned about the same people repeatedly receiving >>> scholarships, and this is by no way of complaining that I did not >>> receive one. >>> As I said last year however, I believe it is also inappropriate to >>> inform applicants that they have been placed on a short list. Not only >>> does this raise false hopes, but as many applications are based on the >>> users' intentions to submit a presentation, it incurs a serious waste of >>> volunteers' time. >>> >>> I also believe that active Wikipedia users who have financed their own >>> participation in the conference multiple times should also be given >>> priority consideration. >>> >>> I fully understand that the according of scholarships is a complex and >>> difficult task. As a former volunteer scholarship approvals committee >>> member, I think I have some experience in these maters. >>> >>> Not one single Wikimania has been organised without serious issues which >>> often result in attendees’ negative experience. >>> Perhaps the solution would be to have the entire concept of Wikimania >>> place in the hands of an experienced volunteer task force of former >>> conference organizers, presenters, and attendees who will have learned >>> from previous errors and adminstartive organisational hiccups. Funds >>> should also be made available for face-to-face meetings for the >>> organisation of such an important event. >>> >>> Having a truly executive Board of Trustees rather than one that simply >>> rubber stamps the way the WMF works, in this and most other areas, may >>> be a step towards addressing these issues. >>> >>> Kudpung >>> >>>> On 30, May2018, at 01:59, Gheorghe Zugravu <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 29.05.2018 20:33, praveenp wrote: >>>>> I haven't seen any attempt to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired >>>>> from Wikimania to community through mailing list or wiki. Users >>>>> including me generally feel that community is being mocked on. >>>> >>>> Hi to all, >>>> without being too original here, and following praveenp comments - would >>>> be good to encourage recipients of WMF scholarship to organize some type >>>> of Wikimania follow-up activities back in their groups or chapters. >>>> >>>> I do believe that most of them are doing it anyway without any >>>> requirements from WMF, but if majority would do it - we could have >>>> something as a ”permanent Wikimania” unfolding globally for a couple of >>>> months after the official Wikimania. >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> /gheorghe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> As I have said last year, this is not a complaint that I didn't get >>>>> selected. This is not personal. This is about same persons receiving >>>>> Wikimania scholarship year after year repeatedly. I am just using >>>>> familiar user names from a familiar community, who got many repeated >>>>> scholarships. >>>>> >>>>> Even after I argued that none of these 'permanent scholarship >>>>> receivers' sharing anything to community, I haven't seen any attempt >>>>> to share the knowledge and wisdom acquired from Wikimania to community >>>>> through mailing list or wiki. Users including me generally feel that >>>>> community is being mocked on. >>>>> >>>>> I tried to keep myself away from local discussion about this, but >>>>> injustice is so clear. And nobody is ready to discuss it openly, most >>>>> probably because of the 'incompetency shaming' in almost all replies. >>>>> >>>>> ~user:Praveenp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 29 May 2018 11:19 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >>>>> Given the context of the previous email you sent, I am assuming this >>>>> is more a complaint that you didn't get selected than that the other >>>>> two got selected. >>>>> >>>>> Similarly to the previous time you tried to have this discussion - I >>>>> feel uncomfortable to make this about individuals. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a way to give rejected applicants more feedback on which >>>>> factors play a main role, so that they can learn from it, especially >>>>> if there is something they could improve in their application. I would >>>>> add two sidenotes here though: it should only be provided on request >>>>> (no need to rub people's noses into something unnecessarily) and it >>>>> seems only viable at a level that can be easily extracted from the >>>>> process (high level). >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps someone who knows the scholarship committee's work intimately >>>>> could comment. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Lodewijk >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, praveenp <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Congratulation to all the selection committee who break the >>>>> tradition[1] of selecting one of the Malayalam communities two >>>>> permanent Wikimania attendees, by selecting both of them. >>>>> >>>>> Congratulation to User:Netha Hussain & User:viswaprabha also. >>>>> >>>>> [1] "Granting Scholarship to same persons every year" thread, >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html >>>>> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2017-May/008026.html> >>>>> >>>>> ~User:Praveenp >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday 15 May 2018 11:19 PM, Ellie Young wrote: >>>>> * >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Here's an update on various activities pertaining to the >>>>> upcomingWikimania '18 which is being held July 18-22 in Cape Town, >>>>> South Africa. >>>>> >>>>> WMF Scholarship Program: 135 people were offered and subsequently >>>>> accepteda full or partial scholarship to attend. The awardees are >>>>> listed by usernames and the list is posted >>>>> here:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars>Submissions: >>>>> The program committee has just finished its review anddeliberations. >>>>> Rejections and acceptance emails have gone out in the past week. >>>>> >>>>> 95% of the accepted submissions are listed at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program >>>>> <https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Plenaries and other sessions will be listed soon and a scheduled >>>>> program in June. >>>>> >>>>> Registration and accommodation information is now up for everyone >>>>> at:https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration>https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation<https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Accommodation>If >>>>> you are a scholarship or other WMF funded attendee (staff, >>>>> contractor,board, etc), please wait until you hear from the WMF with >>>>> your registrationand accommodation instructions.If you have any >>>>> questions about the conference, please emailwikimania-info at >>>>> wikimedia.org<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l>Please >>>>> spread the word!!!!On behalf of the Wikimania '18 Organizing Team >>>>> >>>>> Ellie YoungEvents Manager, Wikimedia >>>>> Foundation<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l> >>>>> >>>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
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