Hey Gnagarra,

Thanks for the clarification. The report would therefore be quite a costly
business, if you expect it to be executed by paid staff. And it would
probably go at the expense of what they would otherwise be doing. 6-12
months is by the way a very long time to publication!

Could you therefore clarify a bit better what your intended goals are
besides satisfying curiosity of people like you and me? Because I surely
can imagine I would appreciate such report as well, I'm just not sure I'd
consider that enough to produce it :) But if you could find additional
valued for it, who knows!

Best,
Lodewijk

2016-10-22 12:27 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra <[email protected]>:

> Its not something that a volunteer could be expected to manage as it would
> need a dedicated person with resources to follow up with those involved and
> collate all the information
>
> I would see it as something done by the WMF either by their Wikimania team
> or the media team given the WMF already do a fair portion now for
> reporting, realising that it would  probably 6 months to year finish, even
> then it wouldnt capture all the benefits which take even longer to
> materialise. Once published the Wikimania wiki could be closed down.  The
> audience is the community, as well as those looking to be involved in a
> wikimania in the future also anyone that wants to see how international
> events are organised and our donars.
>
>
>
> On 22 October 2016 at 18:09, Lodewijk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hey Gnagarra,
>>
>> (changing topics here as we're going on a tangent)
>> in an attempt to avoid/limit additional work for organizers that are
>> totally worn out at the end of a cycle:
>> - What would be your intended use for such document/journal?
>> - What would be the intended readership
>> - Would you imagine volunteering to organize such journal, even if you're
>> not on the organizing team? After all, anyone could collect such
>> information together.
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> 2016-10-22 12:06 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> It would be nice to see past events wrapped up into one journal covering
>>> all aspects from original discussion until the final reporting of the event
>>> including financials, attendee reports and media reports at the moment
>>> everything is spread across chapter, foundation, event pages which means
>>> lessons, pitfalls, successes, the work involved over time arent where
>>> people can find easily
>>>
>>> On 22 October 2016 at 17:56, rupert THURNER <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the points lodewijk mentioned with styles, and independent user groups
>>>> working on it are quite valid points imo. additionally the purpose of a
>>>> wiki is to collaborate on a purpose. if the purpose is gone, no wiki
>>>> software is necessary. following that logic, one could argue to dump a past
>>>> wikimania wiki into a static html page is best. search could be done via
>>>> standard web search. if the wikis are not disturbing one could let them
>>>> just sit where they are.
>>>>
>>>> rupert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Lodewijk <[email protected]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The discussion has now been moved to https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>>> wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Wikimania_wikis apparently, where it will
>>>>> probably also get archived not too distant in the future. I hope someone
>>>>> will post a link here to that archive page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-10-22 11:07 GMT+02:00 Rehman Abubakr <[email protected]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (cross-posting to Wikimania-l and Wikimedia-l)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little
>>>>>> response from the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about
>>>>>> the new topic posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>>>>>> wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis, with regards to having a single
>>>>>> unified Wikimania wiki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have copied the original post below for ease of reading. Please
>>>>>> post your comments on the meta page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **********
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi. I was looking at Special:SiteMatrix
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:SiteMatrix> and couldn't
>>>>>> help noticing the whopping 14 separate wikis (and growing) for all the
>>>>>> different Wikimanias, including a separate wiki for a "Wikimania team". 
>>>>>> Is
>>>>>> there any current plans of a more sustainable or streamlined approach to
>>>>>> running these wikis?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am aware that this has been discussed a few times before, but no
>>>>>> significant effort was put into it. Wikimania project domain
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_project_domain> is the
>>>>>> most significant discussion which I could find, but participation was 
>>>>>> quite
>>>>>> low on that, with no(?) WMF staff comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key
>>>>>> points against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time
>>>>>> capsule"
>>>>>> 2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling"
>>>>>> over their pages
>>>>>> 3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old
>>>>>> admins might interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My though for these points was:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as
>>>>>> wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have
>>>>>> separate namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could
>>>>>> then protect all pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a 
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> is over.
>>>>>> 2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
>>>>>> 3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all
>>>>>> previous admin rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> rights. New admins can be advise to not modify previous project 
>>>>>> namespaces,
>>>>>> or if better, if we can block previous projects' namespaces from editing?
>>>>>> Furthermore, there could be a bot logging all changes made to old project
>>>>>> namespaces, for transparency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any other views on this? Did I miss something obvious?
>>>>>> Looking forward to your comments. Cheers, Rehman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **********
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> User:Rehman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman>
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