cheers On 19/07/2016, Christophe Henner <[email protected]> wrote: > I've learned along the road that often people don't ask question because > they don't dare bother people, especially people they look up to sometime. > > The best way to tackle that is to create a situation designed to answer > those questions. I don't know in terms of timing, but from now on, the > Wikimania Committee could hold a private training session for the next > Wikimania Team every year at the Wikimedia Conference (or another event if > there's one better in terms of timing). > > That way you make sure that basic training / informations are provided to > the new team, you create a working relationship between the team and the > committee, etc. > > Christophe > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Edward Saperia <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Ed: Yes, my suggestion was more or less what Harry described, a lot more >>> informal than the Committee and able to answer more practical questions. >>> >> >> The committee is mostly just the previous organisers. Any way you cut it, >> it'll still be the same people. The committee can and does answer >> practical >> questions, but it seems the kind of people who step up to do Wikimanias >> don't tend to need it that much. >> >> I expect the main issue is variable levels of commitment/ownership in the >> organising team. >> >> *Edward Saperia* >> Founder Newspeak House <http://www.nwspk.com/> >> email <[email protected]> • facebook >> <http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> >> • twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> • 07796955572 >> 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG >> >> >>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:58 AM, Chris Keating < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Ellie! Sounds like a very productive step! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Ellie Young <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Chris Keating < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well this thread turned out bigger (and much more productive) than I >>>>>> expected! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> To my mind, Wikimania continuing to happen every year is a minor >>>>>> miracle, and one that's only possible with the hard work and >>>>>> dedication of >>>>>> lots of people. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, it's a miracle that isn't without its problems. The most >>>>>> obvious problem to my mind is that there is a very mixed quality of >>>>>> actual >>>>>> conference programme, and without clear objectives (or at least not >>>>>> consistent objectives). The Wikimedia Conference, by contrast, has a >>>>>> much >>>>>> clearer alignment of the programme with a set of goals, and work >>>>>> happens to >>>>>> follow up before and after the conference. >>>>>> >>>>>> The second problem is that the responsibilities for governance and >>>>>> management of the conference are really very unclear. We have the >>>>>> Wikimania >>>>>> Committee, we have the local team (and in some cases a local chapter >>>>>> who >>>>>> may or may not be working closely with the bid team), we have the >>>>>> Programme >>>>>> Committee and we have the WMF. (Actually we have the WMF at least >>>>>> twice, as >>>>>> the priorities of the WMF team involved in organising the conference >>>>>> don't >>>>>> always seem to align with those of the rest of the organisation). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In my view, the most useful thing for all these groups to do is to >>>>>> work out who is actually responsible for what, and document it, in >>>>>> public. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> T >>>>> his is an excellent suggestion. It is not unclear to me how things >>>>> work having been involved with coordination among the various 'players' >>>>> for >>>>> the past few years. The Handbook is out of date as well. So I will >>>>> take >>>>> an action item to start revising this and making it clearer to >>>>> everyone >>>>> about the structure, organization, etc for the community at large. >>>>> This >>>>> is especially necessary as we move forward with next steps for 2018 in >>>>> the >>>>> coming months (working on this with WMF and Committee so we are all in >>>>> alignment about the future, and we can better enable prospective >>>>> future >>>>> hosts/organizers to engage with us.) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ellie Young >>>>> Events Manager >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> c. 510 701 8649 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso >>> libre a la suma total de todo el conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que >>> estamos >>> haciendo."—Jimmy Wales <https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales>. >>> >>> Socio de Wikimedia México >>> <https://mx.wikimedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_principal>. >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: Andrés C y C on about.me] >>> >>> Andrés Cruz y Corro >>> about.me/andycyca >>> <http://about.me/andycyca> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >
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