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I good user. Be good, please. 2016-03-16 16:34 GMT+04:00 Risker <[email protected]>: > Iolanda, I can understand entirely that the group organizing Wikimania > would need to set up an association in order for it to conduct business. > > That does not explain why attendees are forced to join the association. > Your comparison with the Hilton is very poor: I do not have to become a > member of the Hilton in order to stay at the Hilton and pay them money. > > The Wikimedia movement has succeeded without ever becoming a membership > organization, without requiring registration, without expecting people to > pay dues (even if that money is put back into the projects right away). > Requiring people to join is almost the antithesis of what being Wikimedian > is all about. Requiring membership can be a serious matter for people > outside of Italy/Europe, particularly as the type and duration of > membership is not properly described. Some governments and employers > require reporting of *all* types of memberships - and those requirements > tend to be in countries where such membership could put people at risk, or > subject them to questioning. I am certain you can find a way to do this > without requiring that attendees become members. > > I have been finding myself very demotivated to come to this Wikimania - > which is a pity, as I have been enthusiastic about the last four or five > that I've attended, and even now three months from the event and with > vacation days booked, I still can't bring myself to register. The choice > of location, the inflexible and low quality of accommodations, the > arbitrary decision to severely limit participation by WMF staff in the > conference proper (without properly understanding that this is a major cost > to the movement since so many developers will have to attend the hackathon > beforehand in order for it to be successful), the decision to put emphasis > on posters instead of presentations (despite the fact that well-presented > posters usually cost between three and twenty times as much as a > single-person presentation).... this does not seem like a Wikimedia event > to me at all. Every time I start to feel even slightly enthusiastic, > there's another thing that comes up. > > I still can't bring myself to register. > > Risker/Anne > > > > > On 16 March 2016 at 04:43, Iolanda Pensa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> There are no other solutions. >> >> Just to understand the logic behind it: >> If you go to the hilton you pay the hilton and you receive a receipt from >> this company. It is your decision if you are ok in paying that company and >> to use its service. >> In the case of Esino Lario you join an association, since we are not the >> hilton, we are not a company and we are managing the event with volunteers >> and a completely different structure to make a 761 village capable of >> hosting a quite large event without being structured to do so (we are >> literally creating most of the things from scratches). The aim of the >> association is to manage events and specifically Wikimania. Once the event >> is over the association will have 0 budget (used to cover with the income >> received from the registrations the expenses related to the >> members-participants); the association and the membership – as the name of >> the association clearly communicates - is meant for Wikimania 2016. A >> committee would have been an easier structure (we initially registered it >> as a committee) but this December 2015, in Italy committee do not exist any >> longer as registered institutions (but we want an officially registered >> institution to make everything clear and correct even if of course - as >> many of you know - it is complex and longer than doing things informally). >> >> It would have been nice to have Wikimedia Italia managing all this, but >> in 2014 Wikimedia Italia decided that it was too complicated and they did >> not have enough staff to do it. >> So in Esino Lario we applied for fundings through Associazione Amici del >> Museo delle Grigne Onlus (an association of volunteers without staff) >> and we established this new association to make the management and the >> accountability of Wikimania possible, transparent and correct (also in this >> case an association of volunteers without staff). >> >> This choice was thought through and please do not hesitate to ask any >> further question. >> thanks >> iolanda >> >> Il giorno 15 mar 2016, alle ore 22:29, Lodewijk < >> [email protected]> ha scritto: >> >> If membership is required to be a participant under this structure, such >> a solution would require all participants to become a member of Wikimedia >> Italia. Which is maybe less ideal than becoming member of something that is >> meant to be temporary. >> >> Still it is an odd situation to be honest... Iolanda: are there solutions >> for people who don't want to become a member, or cannot become a member >> because of their job etc? Perhaps at a higher fee if necessary (not sure if >> this construction gives tax benefits etc) >> >> Lodewijk >> >> Lodewijk >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Michael Peel <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Couldn't Wikimedia Italia do this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike >>> >>> On 15 Mar 2016, at 11:44, Iolanda Pensa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Here is the explanation of why we created a Committee which is an >>> association managing Wikimania[1]. >>> >>> I’ll add the answers also online: >>> 1. we needed an institution managing the income from the registration >>> and the expenses which involve a very large number of people (priviate, not >>> only companies); the institution we established is a non profit (it doesn’t >>> share the income among anyone), it is managed by volunteers with experience >>> in accounting and it is a specific institution with a separate bank account >>> from Associazione Amici del Museo delle Grigne Onlus (which as an onlus is >>> not the appropriate institution). >>> 2. we created an association according to the advice of experts in >>> associations and management. since we have a non profit nature, associating >>> the participants for the event is the solution which has been chosen as the >>> only suitable to allow us to collect the payments and to reimburse the >>> flats and to pay the other expenses linked to food, accommodation, >>> transport, insurance and t-shirts and welcome begs. the association >>> (committees in Italy do not exist since December 2015) has the specific >>> objective to promote and organize the event Wikimania (the name of the >>> association is Associazione Comitato Wikimania Esino Lario 2016), which is >>> also the reason we created it. >>> 3. the fee is 1 euro because we need to have a fee and it is of course >>> included in all the registration; fees simply contribute as all the rest of >>> the income to the expenses for the participants. >>> 4. you can see the names of the members of the board in the link and >>> also in our team[2] >>> 5. yesterday the association had a meeting to record all the regulations >>> which coincide with the information you find on the website (different >>> types of registration costs and i am uploading also the regulations related >>> to the support for the most active volunteers) >>> 6. all documents of the association are uploaded online and you can >>> review everything. i’ll be adding the other documents and we are preparing >>> some of the translations. >>> 7. for personal data we apply the Italian legislation. Data are >>> collected to allow us to organize Wikimania and support the participants >>> (registration, accommodation, wifi, police registration for foreigners >>> requested by law); with this objective in mind, only people who need the >>> data to organize Wikimania and support the participants have access to them. >>> >>> please do not hesitate to let me know if you have any further question >>> iolanda >>> >>> [1] >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids/Esino_Lario/Management#Accounting_and_bookkeeping >>> [2] https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Team >>> >>> Il 13 mar 2016 23:40, "Bohdan Melnychuk" <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Please take a look at the discussion I initiate here: >>>> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Registration#Comitato_Wikimania_Esino_Lario_2016 >>>> It is about becoming a member of Comitato Wikimania Esino Lario 2016 as >>>> asked in Wikimania registration process. >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> --Base >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimania-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimania-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimania-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l > >
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