Just one small detail:

*As for costs we need to remember that for many if not most travel will be
> the largest part of the bill, and when you include the cost of getting
> there London becomes one of our cheapest potential venues*
>

Lets remember that London isn't alone in that. If the Wikimania is Europe -
does not mind if is in Portugal, Spain, France, Italy Germany, Poland or
the european part of Russia - the travel cost will be as cheap for other
European residents.
_____
*Béria Lima*

*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*


On 27 August 2012 06:01, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]>wrote:

> There is a risk of people adding too much into Wikimanias. I've been to
> three Wikimania events and the most lost people I met were not those
> editors who were at their first event - they fitted in well. The most lost
> people I met were those who hadn't started editing yet. I'm very happy to
> make time for such people, and in London we are holding events to introduce
> potential editors to Wikimedia. But I don't think that such events are  a
> natural fit with wikimania, and I would suggest that we not promote
> Wikimania to non-editors. Nor do I think that we should aim for Wikimania
> to be an event for the press. Yes if there are journalists who are
> interested and want to come by all means let them. Though I've yet to meet
> a journalist who doesn't feel that they have some sort of professional duty
> to out any Wikimedian they report on. But we shouldn't let Wikimania become
> some sort of media event, though it will be difficult to avoid producing
> any press releases from a Wikimania. An inwardly focussed event that
> doesn't try to "raise its media profile" would be better than one that
> considers press coverage to be a measure of its success.
>
> As for costs we need to remember that for many if not most travel will be
> the largest part of the bill, and when you include the cost of getting
> there London becomes one of our cheapest potential venues. We just need to
> make sure that the facilities and budget accommodation are as cheap as
> London (or elsewhere near Heathrow) is capable of. But with the greying of
> the pedia we need to cater both for those whose idea of
> basic accommodation is  a room with a bed and for those who are looking for
> somewhere they can stretch out a sleeping bag.
>
> One economy we can make based on last years Indian conference is that we
> don't need WiFi everywhere. A designated WiFi free zone with coffee is a
> useful part of a large meetup and it should save money if you can tell the
> WiFi provider to designate the hardest coffee area to provide WiFi for as a
>   WiFi free zone.
>
> What I'd like to see in a Wikimania bid is a commitment for e-involvement
> and making things as multilingual as practical. We could do this by working
> with chapters and other local groups so that for topics that people want to
> get involved in we repeat the session online and in requested languages
> with a translator working with the presenter.
>
> WSC
>
>
> On 27 August 2012 08:55, Tobias <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 08/25/2012 09:46 PM, Lodewijk wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the question should first be: what kind of Wikimania do we want.
>>> Personally, I would be totally happy with down scaling the conference a
>>> bit. Less visitors (500-600), less events and less professional. Let it
>>> be more volunteer focused, and yes, perhaps also a bit more chaotic.
>>>
>>
>> I concur and I'm glad you brought this topic up.
>>
>> Wikimedians are not professionals, they are volunteers. Our community
>> /is/ chaotic and a bit unorganized. It's fine if Wikimania reflects that.
>>
>>
>>  That also means we can change the nature of bids: more back to basic and
>>> more focus on location, venue and accomodation.
>>>
>>
>> We should also focus on making Wikimania more affordable. If that means
>> choosing cheaper locations that might be a bit less spectacular, that's
>> fine with me. I've always thought the charm of Wikimania stems from its
>> participants and not a particular venue.
>>
>> Manuel (among others) is organizing WikiCon 2012, which will start in a
>> few days in Austria. The fee is only 10 Euro for the full conference (three
>> days), and that even includes meals and a place to sleep in a gym.
>> Last year's WikiCon was fantastic even though there was not an exotic
>> venue, a beach party, a wonderful port or a disco night in the center of a
>> large city. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy such events, nor that they
>> aren't parts of the positive memory I have of past Wikimanias, but
>> expensive and exotic events and locations should not be considered a "must"
>> for future Wikimanias.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tobias
>>
>> Ps.: The WikiCon conference for german-speaking countries is a great
>> example of an event between the magnitude of million-dollar-events like
>> Wikimania and zero-dollar local community meetups. They work great, help to
>> get to know each other in real life (and to sort out differences) as well
>> as exchanging ideas and bringing the movement forward. You should have a
>> WikiCon in your country, too!
>>
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