On 25/11/2009, at 12:04 PM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:

>> The point is that Apple did not want to stand in the way of something better 
>> suited.
>> 
>> lol... because as a company they're just generous at heart when it comes to 
>> setting their technology free ;-)
>> 
>>> In their opinion, at that time, the WOLips tools WERE ready for the masses,
>> 
>> Now you've either got this from the horses mouth so to speak or are making 
>> it up.

This statement was too harsh -- apologies.

>> The former makes no sense as it is simply not true (Entity Modeler for 
>> exmaple was no where near ready ... as Mike worked hard on it *after* the 
>> announcement of Apple dropping theirs). Sure it was showing signs of being 
>> the way to go for the future ... that would be closer to making sense.
> 
> It was the way I said before; 1) XCode came out, 2) WOLips came out, 3) 
> WOLips was found to be better than XCode by Apple, [two years later] 4) Apple 
> imposed that opinion on the community.
> 
> Referring to Apple as a horse is not very conductive to fostering good 
> relationship between the community and Apple.

I said 'so to speak' as it's a very common expression that in no way speaks ill 
of the parties involved.

>>> as Apple had already been using them internally for a couple of years prior 
>>> to that. 
>> 
>> That little thing called the Java-bridge doing its disappearing act had some 
>> influence on their decision too... :-)
>> 
>> Look, I hope they do get around to releasing 5.5, 5.6 etc but there's no 
>> denying that there's some internal politics that's slowing things down 
>> considerably.
> 
> Be good to santa, and maybe there will be something under the tree.

On this I'm happy to suggest that santa is the lie for he's not the reason for 
the season :-)

with regards,
--

Lachlan Deck

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