Just one more quick note. It has been quite a while since running
these tests. The apache processes have tampered down to the
original... however mod_wsgi is still sitting at 95MB for some odd
reason. uWSGI has gone down to its original footprint.


-Thadeus





On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote:
> typo on cherokee+uwsgi before testing total should be 31064
>
>
> -Thadeus
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> 
> wrote:
>> I did some interesting ab testing with cherokee / apache. Both
>> installed on the same server, running the exact same web2py app. My
>> apache only runs mod_wsgi, no ruby on this server!
>>
>> At server bootup, visiting the homepage of the app once for apache and
>> once for cherokee, this is the RSS footprint as to ps aux.
>>
>> 5296 Cherokee
>> 25768 uWSGI
>>
>> Total: 49948 Cherokee + uWSGI
>>
>> 56744 Apache
>> 33672 mod_wsgi
>>
>> Total: 90416 Apache + mod_wsgi
>>
>> Now after running the following command  (thadeusb.com is apache,
>> thadeusb.com:50002 is cherokee)
>>
>> ab -n 200 -c 15 http://thadeusb.com/weblog && ab -n 200 -c 15
>> http://thadeusb.com:50002/thadeusb/weblog/
>>
>> This is the RSS footprints, taken right after this small test.
>>
>> 5954 Cherokee
>> 32120 uWSGI
>>
>> Total: 38074 Cherokee + uWSGI
>>
>> 91252 - Apache
>> 95452 - mod_wsgi
>>
>> Total: 186704 Apache + mod_wsgi
>>
>> All I can say is... good bologna! What has happened to apache and
>> mod_wsgi???? 186MB!!! When Cherokee was at a happy 38MB after this
>> test! Preposterous!
>>
>> Though to give it credit, my real test here is speed, and cherokee is
>> only a tad bit faster at serving web2py apps than apache, so the only
>> real benefit gained by using cherokee over apache is A) Admin
>> interface and B) low memory footprint.
>>
>> Anyways, below are the actual ps aux printouts in order.
>>
>>
>> Before testing:
>>
>> root      2932  0.0  0.4  32604  1440 ?        Ssl  00:38   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/cherokee --admin_child -C /etc/cherokee/cherokee.conf
>> www-data  2936  0.0  1.1 212936  3856 ?        Sl   00:38   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/cherokee-worker --admin_child -C /etc/cherokee/cherokee.conf
>>
>> www-data  2484  0.1 10.2 337836 33672 ?        Sl   Feb25   0:02
>> (wsgi:thadeusb)   -k start
>> www-data  2929  0.8  7.8 128500 25768 ?        S    00:38   0:01
>> /usr/local/bin/uwsgi -s 127.0.0.1 -t 10 -M -p 1 -C -x
>> /home/thadeusb/web2py/uwsgi.xml
>>
>> root      2467  0.0  2.0  93536  6816 ?        Ss   Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2482  0.0  1.5 232796  5160 ?        Sl   Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2483  0.0  1.5 232796  5160 ?        Sl   Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2486  0.0  1.7  93724  5692 ?        S    Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2537  0.0  1.7  93724  5652 ?        S    Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2538  0.0  1.7  93716  5652 ?        S    Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2539  0.0  1.7  93724  5712 ?        S    Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2540  0.0  1.7  93724  5688 ?        S    Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2648  0.0  1.6  93536  5516 ?        S    00:02   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2665  0.0  1.7  93732  5656 ?        S    00:04   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>>
>>
>> after testing
>>
>> root      2932  0.0  0.2  32604   692 ?        Ssl  00:38   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/cherokee --admin_child -C /etc/cherokee/cherokee.conf
>> www-data  2936  0.0  0.6 215112  2264 ?        Sl   00:38   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/cherokee-worker --admin_child -C /etc/cherokee/cherokee.conf
>> thadeusb  3826  0.0  0.2   7336   876 pts/1    R+   01:04   0:00 grep 
>> cherokee
>> www-data  2929  7.0  7.5 155924 32120 ?        S    00:38   1:48
>> /usr/local/bin/uwsgi -s 127.0.0.1 -t 10 -M -p 1 -C -x
>> /home/thadeusb/web2py/uwsgi.xml
>> www-data  3345 14.2 29.0 550772 95452 ?        Sl   00:59   0:36
>> (wsgi:thadeusb)   -k start
>> thadeusb  3828  0.0  0.2   7336   876 pts/1    R+   01:04   0:00 grep wsgi
>> root      2467  0.0  0.9  93536  3172 ?        Ss   Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2482  0.0  0.5 232796  1832 ?        Sl   Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2483  0.0  0.5 232796  1832 ?        Sl   Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2486  0.0  0.7  93724  2540 ?        S    Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2537  0.0  0.7  93724  2536 ?        S    Feb25   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  2539  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    Feb25   0:00
>> [apache2] <defunct>
>> www-data  3471  0.0  0.7  93672  2492 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3482  0.0  0.7  93672  2492 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3483  0.0  0.7  93672  2492 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3485  0.0  0.7  93672  2492 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3510  0.0  0.7  93672  2536 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3511  0.0  0.7  93672  2504 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3512  0.0  0.7  93672  2508 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3514  0.0  0.7  93672  2504 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3515  0.0  0.7  93672  2532 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3516  0.0  0.7  93672  2528 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3520  0.0  0.7  93672  2520 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3521  0.0  0.7  93672  2524 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3522  0.0  0.7  93672  2532 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3523  0.0  0.8  93672  2668 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3524  0.0  0.8  93672  2668 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3535  0.0  0.8  93672  2932 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3537  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3538  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3539  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3540  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3541  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3542  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3543  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3545  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3548  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3550  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3551  0.0  0.8  93672  2932 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3552  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> www-data  3555  0.0  0.8  93672  2936 ?        S    01:03   0:00
>> /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
>> thadeusb  3830  0.0  0.2   7340   884 pts/1    S+   01:04   0:00 grep apache
>>
>> -Thadeus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> I was able to get the server started with my SSL pem files. It was
>>> quite easily actually, I just was only putting the path to the .pem
>>> file in one of the text boxes, not both. (silly me)
>>>
>>> Anyways, it seems that uwsgi does not pass the correct 
>>> request.env.remote_addr.
>>>
>>> This is the relative information passed to request.env using uwsgi.
>>> running on SSL (firefox displays its nice little blue box around the
>>> domain verifying that I am indeed using my SSL cert, oh and I had to
>>> go through the whole "security exception" thing firefox likes to do)
>>>
>>> 'wsgi_url_scheme': 'http', 'server_name': 'thadeusb.com', 'https': 'on',
>>>
>>> If I alter admin to check for https==on then it works. I am wondering
>>> this must be a bug in uwsgi ?
>>>
>>> if request.env.http_x_forwarded_for or request.env.wsgi_url_scheme\
>>>     in ['https', 'HTTPS'] or request.env.https == 'on':
>>>
>>> Here is the full contents of request.env
>>>
>>> <Storage {'content_length': '0', 'http_user_agent': 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11;
>>> U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100214 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic)
>>> Firefox/3.5.8', 'script_name': '', 'wsgi_errors': <open file
>>> 'wsgi_input', mode 'w' at 0x24a02d8>, 'server_protocol': 'HTTP/1.1',
>>> 'http_cache_control': 'max-age=0', 'web2py_path':
>>> '/home/thadeusb/web2py', 'http_accept':
>>> 'text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8',
>>> 'wsgi_url_scheme': 'http', 'server_name': 'thadeusb.com',
>>> 'remote_port': '42400', 'http_accept_language': 'en-us,en;q=0.5',
>>> 'wsgi_version': (1, 0), 'request_method': 'GET', 'script_url':
>>> '/admin', 'server_port': '50003', 'wsgi_input': <open file
>>> 'wsgi_input', mode 'r' at 0x24a01c8>, 'server_addr':
>>> '174.143.155.212', 'document_root': '/home/thadeusb/web2py',
>>> 'wsgi_multithread': False, 'http_accept_charset':
>>> 'ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7', 'https': 'on', 'http_cookie':
>>> '__utma=226599768.612546542.1262501624.1267163250.1267163748.37;
>>> __utmz=226599768.1266549488.30.3.utmcsr=sikbox.com|utmccn=(referral)|utmcmd=referral|utmcct=/;
>>> session_id_init=75-27-133-239-23cdebe9-e999-47ca-be3d-57e5b64b0c96;
>>> __utmb=226599768.1.10.1267163748; __utmc=226599768;
>>> session_id_welcome=75-27-133-239-20d264d8-0607-4ef7-ba26-455fd1c21cbb;
>>> session_id_admin=75-27-133-239-550561b2-eaa8-41b2-a962-76595c193823',
>>> 'server_software': 'Cherokee/0.99.43 (Ubuntu)', 'web2py_version':
>>> 'Version 1.75.4 (2010-02-18 14:55:03)\n', 'http_host':
>>> 'thadeusb.com:50003', 'wsgi_multiprocess': False, 'path':
>>> '/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin', 'request_uri': '/admin',
>>> 'http_connection': 'keep-alive', 'wsgi_file_wrapper': <built-in
>>> function uwsgi_sendfile>, 'gateway_interface': 'CGI/1.1',
>>> 'http_keep_alive': '300', 'remote_addr': '75.27.133.239',
>>> 'http_accept_encoding': 'gzip,deflate', 'server_signature':
>>> '<address>Cherokee Web Server</address>', 'path_translated':
>>> '/home/thadeusb/web2py/admin', 'query_string': '', 'wsgi_run_once':
>>> False, 'path_info': '/admin'}>
>>>
>>> -Thadeus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Actually, SSL is not out of the scope of this entry.
>>>>
>>>> How do you expect me to access admin, or appadmin for that matter?
>>>>
>>>> I can't use web2py without SSL :)
>>>>
>>>> I have tried everything but it just keeps giving me an error saying
>>>> something is wrong with my .pem file, but not telling me "what" is
>>>> wrong. I even used the make-cert.sh that comes with cherokee.
>>>>
>>>> -Thadeus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 4:42 PM, GrayMatterComputing
>>>> <battledi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The guide is fine, it just needs to be Followed Step By Step without
>>>>> skipping. ;)
>>>>> I also figured the SSL and all was easy enough to find and, again,
>>>>> outside the scope of this entry.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The following packages are not installed by the PPA...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cherokee-doc
>>>>>> libcherokee-mod-geoip
>>>>>> libcherokee-mod-ldap
>>>>>> libcherokee-mod-libssl
>>>>>> libcherokee-mod-mysql
>>>>>> libcherokee-mod-rrd
>>>>>> libcherokee-mod-streaming
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Installing libcherokee-mod-libssl fixes this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also they have a great article on creating and signing your own ssl
>>>>>> key, it seems the one I am using for apache setup is invalid :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Thadeus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Thadeus Burgess <thade...@thadeusb.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Don't forget to hit save :)0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > And how to enable SSL, and use my self signed certificate, OR use a
>>>>>> > paid for certificate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > -Thadeus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Thadeus Burgess 
>>>>>> > <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> Also, emphasis the fact of using the PPA method of installing, and
>>>>>> >> provide instructions on how to do this, and a link to that page. The
>>>>>> >> reason it was not working was I installed 0.99.19 instead of 0.99.43.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> -Thadeus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Thadeus Burgess 
>>>>>> >> <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> A couple of suggestions with the slice
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> Make a note, for buildinguwsgi, that there are makefile.py25 and
>>>>>> >>> others so that you can build it for the python version that you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> Do include the little ``ssh -L 9090:localhost:9090 remote_IP`` trick
>>>>>> >>> to securely connect to cherokee admin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> I do not seeuWSGIlisted under Wizards->Platforms. I do not see it
>>>>>> >>> anywhere else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> I can run ``uwsgi`` from command line, so it is installed correctly 
>>>>>> >>> in my bin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> The only difference is I have /web2py and /web2py/config.xml does 
>>>>>> >>> this matter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> -Thadeus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Thadeus Burgess 
>>>>>> >>> <thade...@thadeusb.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>> Can I have cherokeeuwsgiand apache mod_wsgi running on the same
>>>>>> >>>> web2py code base or should I make a copy so cherokee can execute it 
>>>>>> >>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You are right I could run cherokee on a non-standard port for 
>>>>>> >>>> testing
>>>>>> >>>> and always switch it over when I am happy with it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> -Thadeus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:30 PM, GrayMatterComputing
>>>>>> >>>> <battledi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>> @Thadeus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> For me, it was a breeze to switch from Apache to Cherokee. I was 
>>>>>> >>>>> happy
>>>>>> >>>>> with Apache too, but I used the fact that a client wanted Cherokee 
>>>>>> >>>>> as
>>>>>> >>>>> an opportunity to give it a try, and I am glad I did :) Besides, 
>>>>>> >>>>> it is
>>>>>> >>>>> not like you would have to remove Apache to use Cherokee, so what 
>>>>>> >>>>> are
>>>>>> >>>>> you waiting for (besides possibly a free hour), give it a try!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> @mr.freeze and everyone else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> This guide has been posted 
>>>>>> >>>>> athttp://www.web2pyslices.com/main/slices/take_slice/64
>>>>>> >>>>> and will appear on graymattercomputing.net in the near future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Feb 24, 6:05 am, "mr.freeze" <nat...@freezable.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>> This is really helpful. Unfortunately, it will be lost on this 
>>>>>> >>>>>> mailing
>>>>>> >>>>>> list in a month or so.  Care to make a 
>>>>>> >>>>>> slice?http://www.web2pyslices.com/main/default/index
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2:56 pm, GrayMatterComputing <battledi...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > web2py with Cherokee viauWSGI: a simple, easy guide
>>>>>> >>>>>> > (written specifically for Ubuntu, but applicable to all systems)
>>>>>> >>>>>> > By: Evan Gray - GrayMatterComputing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > 1) web2py
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  a) Download web2py (found at web2py.com)
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i) Install python, if not present: sudo apt-get install python
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  b) Unzip (to /var/web2py)
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  c) Run: sudo python /var/web2py/web2py.py -a desiredpassword
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  d) Verify that it functions properly (by visiting 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > localhost:8000),
>>>>>> >>>>>> > then close the server (Ctrl+C in terminal)
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  e) Allow server permission to web2py: sudo chown -hR 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > www-data\: /var/
>>>>>> >>>>>> > web2py
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i) Where "www-data" is Cherokee's effective user (www-data is 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > the
>>>>>> >>>>>> > default)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > 2)uWSGI
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  a) DownloaduWSGI(found at projects.unbit.it/uwsgi/)
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  b) Unpackage wherever and cd into folder
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i) Install dependencies for make, if not present: sudo apt-get
>>>>>> >>>>>> > install python-dev libxml2-dev
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  c) Makeuwsgi: sudo make -f Makefile.Py26
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  d) Install: sudo cp uwsgi26 /usr/local/bin/uwsgi
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  e) Create config.xml: sudo cat > /var/web2py/config.xml
>>>>>> >>>>>> > <uwsgi>
>>>>>> >>>>>> >     <pythonpath>/var/web2py/</pythonpath>
>>>>>> >>>>>> >     <app mountpoint="/">
>>>>>> >>>>>> >     <script>wsgihandler</script>
>>>>>> >>>>>> >     </app>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > </uwsgi>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > [PRESS ENTER]
>>>>>> >>>>>> > [PRESS CTRL+D]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > 3) Cherokee
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  a) Install Cherokee (follow the instructions at 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > cherokee-project.org)
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i) Note: I highly recommend using the PPA method so you can 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > be sure
>>>>>> >>>>>> > to have the latest version and no issues!
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  b) Run cherokee-admin: sudo cherokee-admin
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  c) Visit admin console (via browser, password is shown in 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > terminal):
>>>>>> >>>>>> > localhost:9090
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  d) Go to Virtual Servers, click Wizards, click Platforms, 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > clickuWSGI
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i)   New Host Name: web2py
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   ii)  Document Root: /var/web2py
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   iii) Configuration File: /var/web2py/config.xml
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   iv)  Same logs as vserver: default(combined)
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   v)   Submit
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  e) Go to Virtual Servers, click default
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i) Under "Basics", Virtual Server Nickname: original
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  f) Go to Virtual Servers, click web2py
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i)  Under "Basics", Virtual Server Nickname: default
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   ii) Under "Logging", verify all logging is correct (matches
>>>>>> >>>>>> > original)
>>>>>> >>>>>> >  g) Go to Virtual Servers
>>>>>> >>>>>> >   i) Set original Active to OFF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> > 4) Visit localhost (or your.ip.add.ress from another computer) 
>>>>>> >>>>>> > to view
>>>>>> >>>>>> > your web2py site! :D
>>>>>>
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