On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Scott Hunter<shun...@nycap.rr.com> wrote: > > A colleague has lodged the following complaints about web2py, and I'd > like to run my responses by this group in order to correct/strengthen > those responses. > > Complaint #1: No real-time debugging (i.e. proper step-debugging in a > real IDE) > Response #1: web2py, being a framework, does not include a full-blown > IDE, but it doesn't preclude your using your favorite IDE.
I don't understand this at all - with any debugger, you can debug web2py very easily; for example, wingide - just run with normal breakpoints, as shown in http://www.wingware.com/doc/howtos/web2py I think this is just a misinformed complaint.... > > Complaint #2: No proper logging mechanism for modules. (Related: > web2py is pathetic at third-party module integration) > Response #2: Again, nothing in web2py precludes using python's logging > facility. (And I've had no problem getting it to play nice with PIL > and some other modules, so I'm not sure what the complaint is here.) don't understand the complaint... > > Complaint #3: Having to do strange things (like double-imports and > reloads) to pick up run-time changes in my module. (This may be where > the complaint about 3rd party modules comes from.) > Response #3: I believe the issue here is that there is a module which > is being developed/debugged, but changes to it aren't getting picked- > up without re-starting the application (or doing "strange things"). > Were the module being developed located inside web2py during > development, then I believe edits would get picked up immediately. I have not experienced "strange" double imports (this sounds like some unnecessary confusion - perhaps the complainer can give a specific example....) > > Complaint #4: web2py will not let me handle my own form, considering I > don't want to use web2py's ORM to talk to my data > Response #4: There is NOTHING in web2py the prevents you from using > your own form. yes... agree, there is nothing... but web2py does do a lot w/ models & forms by default as a convenience (perhaps complainer can provide a specific example of the complaint....) > > Complaint #5: It's not a real ORM, because there is entirely 'zero' > configuration like a real ORM has. It's a database-to-HTML-form > management system, not an object-relational management system. > Response #5: White it has features to facilitate HTML form management, > it certainly seems to map records to objects... web2py does not contain an ORM, nor does it attempt nor claim to - ti contains a data abstraction layer (DAL). It is accurate to say that web2py does not contain an object-to-relational mapping system (you can choose to use one if you want to; the DAL is a lower level abstraction; this is the way web2py chose to handle data). As for "database-to-HTML-form system: there is nothing in the DAL that has anything to do with forms (there is a form system that knows and uses the DAL abstractions). I think the complaint has not understood the web2py system sufficiently (instead, expecting a ORM). > > Complant #6: web2py will only let you process a web2py form if it was > created in the controller > Response #6: while a from OBJECT must be created in the controller, > the actual form need not be. I do not understand this... form factories work in controller level code. > > Complaint #7: web2py won't let me loop over keys in their custom dict > () structure (called Storage) in order to circumvent the FORM and > SQLFORM issues in #5 above > Response #7: ? Python lets you loop over keys; I do not understand this question... Both controllers and views use python... > > Any help would be appreciated. > > - Scott > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
