I will post some snippets of my GAE DAL nr patches for web2py tonight.
On Aug 20, 8:38 am, yamandu <yamandu.co...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am in to same situation and untill now I realized the simpler > solution is use GAE option in DAL and develop running web2py directly > (admin works), test with devappserver (admin does not work) and deploy > with appcfg when done. > It is less invasive, maybe a little tricky, but I have not gone so far > yet. > > On Aug 19, 2:59 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > great - looking forward to seeing your work... > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM, dlypka <dly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I believe it is possible to have a hybrid model. I have one working > > > (to some degree). > > > My approach is not related to the column-oriented aspect. I'm working > > > at the GAE datastore CLASS level, not BigTable low-level. > > > So I am pushing ahead with it, and anyone who is interested may > > > contact me for code. > > > > On Aug 19, 12:25 pm, Yarko Tymciurak <yark...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > There are 2 things to keep in mind here: > > > > > Specificity (big tables) and abstraction (portability, DAL). > > > > > Right now, the data abstraction layer of web2py (DAL) handles RDBM's > > > rather > > > > close to the RDBM (that is, it is not an object-relational mapper, but a > > > bit > > > > lower level). It also handles those concepts from that abstraction > > > which > > > > map well into big tables. DAL also creates freatures (form generation, > > > auth > > > > tools, etc.) based on DAL information. > > > > > IF you make BT (big table) specific adaptations, you will [1] risk > > > > losing > > > > the abstractions and the interface into web2py facilities. But it may > > > be a > > > > useful start. A better start would be to look at what abstractions DAL > > > > employes, what the interfaces to the rest of web2py are, and create an > > > > interface class for "COLUMN ORIENTED STORES" (e.g. start with just big > > > table > > > > if you want). This would be more interesting results than merely "I > > > want > > > > to access all of big tables facilities" - it would reach into how to > > > > hook > > > it > > > > into the nature of what web2py does. > > > > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:20 AM, dlypka <dly...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rdbm is still needed to drive CRUD forns > > > > > > On Aug 19, 11:56 am, Carl <carl.ro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Google's own video are a place to start: > > > > > > > Wipe your mind of rdbm design, sit back and breath them in... > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx5gdoNpcZMhttp://www.youtube.com/watc. > > > .. > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 4:28 pm, Benigno <bca...@albendas.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Carl, > > > > > > > > My question was rather more generic, I mean from an > > > > > > > application > > > > > > > design point of view, what things does one need to consider when > > > > > > > creating an app for GAE. I was asking about Rdb, because thats the > > > > > > > only db structure I have been working with all my life so it would > > > > > > > have been more "intuitive" for me to understand the concepts. > > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 2:36 pm, Carl <carl.ro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > hi Benigno, > > > > > > > > > 'fraid my project is from a clean sheet so I've not investigated > > > how > > > > > > > > to migrate relational databases. > > > > > > > > I'm currently looking athttp:// > > > code.google.com/p/app-engine-patch > > > > > > > > which leverages Django to access BigTable natively. > > > > > > > > > C > > > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 12:52 pm, Benigno <bca...@albendas.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Carl, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry I do not add any answer. I would be delighted to > > > hear > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > about the subject, as it is indeed quite important for me too. > > > > > > > > > > Can you address me to any place to learn more about > > > bigtable?. > > > > > > > > > Rather, what are best practices and how to "transform" an Rdb > > > > > > > > > structure into something that works for bigtable. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Benigno. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 18, 1:37 pm, Carl <carl.ro...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hi > > > > > > > > > > > I'm currently building a project with python, web2py & > > > pyjamas; I > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be deploying on gae. > > > > > > > > > > > As you will know gae isn't a relational store but leverages > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > different design so I want to experiment with two different > > > > > > > > > > approaches: a) accessing gae thru web2py (treating gae as a > > > > > subset of > > > > > > > > > > a relational db) and b) accessing bigtable more directly to > > > help > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > data accesses scale on google's infrastructure. > > > > > > > > > > > Now core to web2py's philosophy is compatibility for code > > > across > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > range of data stores. I realise my option b) **may not** be > > > > > compatible > > > > > > > > > > with that goal (perhaps this is where the new DAL comes > > > > > > > > > > in?). > > > > > > > > > > > finally the question: has anyone implemented bigtable > > > directly > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > still using web2py and if so, how do they do local testing?- > > > Hide > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py-users" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to web2py+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
