Joe, thanks for clarifying the difference between "advertise" and "advocate". It is an important difference and it escaped to me.
43g, sorry but the name has a history and it is staying. gluon, tau, etc. are all trademarked. I do not like it, it is not enforcible, but it can create trouble. web2py was not my first choice but it is something that 1year ago produced no search results. Massimo On Dec 3, 3:26 am, 43gm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I mention web2py to other python users, there is frequently > confusion with web.py which is very unfortunate. When people scan > their memories they go with the strongest associations first. > Sometimes people seem to believe that web2py is the version 2.0 > of web.py -- which is erroneous. > > Go on irc #python, and try it out. Now usually there are four people > over in #web2py but no conversation. Buzz is important, and > peer endorsement is very important. A really cool app would > really draw admiration, and thus a strong following. > After quality of code, the second crucial factor is probably > community. > > Regarding the name, I noticed that gluon was a boson, so why > not try a lepton, like tau. I just googled "taupy" and there were > absolutely no results! ;-) > > So a very unique name, then a cool app... > > On Dec 2, 7:06 pm, mdipierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thank you Achipa, > > > People do not complain for free. > > > They complain because they have an interest. In a couple of cases I > > have seen a correlation between me refusing to include a third party > > package XYZ in web2py (because the built-in equivalent is better) and > > a subsequent "bad press". I know who the people involved are but I > > will not say. > > > I catalogued bad press in 3 categories: > > > 1) "web2py suck" with not explanation. I usually answer by asking > > "why?" or do not respond at all. > > > 2) "I reinvented the wheel", which is true except I never claimed I > > invented anything (at least not in this area). > > > 3) "I advertise web2py". Yes I do. I fail to see why there is > > something wrong with it and how me talking about web2py is any > > different than other people talking about competing frameworks. I try > > to talk about web2py without explicitly listing defects or bugs in > > other systems and only emphasize why I think web2py is better. > > > There is not much we can do about 1 but there is something we can do > > about 2,3. More people need to talk about web2py so that I become a > > minority voice and hopefully personal attacks will give space to more > > constructive criticism. > > > Massimo > > > On Dec 2, 6:13 pm, achipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I heard about the bad press, too, and I must say I don't know where > > > those people are coming from. I have only seen critiques from people > > > who have not even tried web2py or are opposed to it on a philosophical > > > level. Web2py is not the biggest framework (even in python) but every > > > framework had to start somewhere, and every framework had to have an > > > original author. It's like MS press telling how amateurish Linux is > > > all over again. I was a bit wary at the beginning, but it turned out > > > great. Not only am I now convinced that web2py is technically sound, > > > but it undoubtedly has one of the best communities around. I can > > > hardly wait to uncover my biggest 6+ machine project, which will > > > proudly wear the 'powered by web2py' sticker. Keep up the good work, > > > Massimo ! > > > > On Dec 3, 12:57 am, mdipierro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I think we are doing week but we should not take this growth for > > > > granted. > > > > > There are people that see web2py growth as a threat instead of an > > > > opportunity and, although they are a minority, they put a lot of > > > > effort in spreading false information online about web2py and about > > > > also me personally. > > > > > If you like web2py, help me spread the world about it. The more people > > > > use it the better it will become. > > > > Moreover some people think this is a one person project. Clearly it is > > > > not since so many of you have contributed a lot to web2py. > > > > > Massimo > > > > > On Dec 2, 2:30 pm, Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I made a graph of membership growth for this group, which you can view > > > > > here:http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples/static/members.png > > > > > > It's an impressive trend! > > > > > Rails has 16000 members though, so we have a way to go. > > > > > > Baron --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "web2py Web Framework" group. To post to this group, send email to web2py@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/web2py?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
