I would hate to see this project retire.

Adam you bring up good points. I can get the ball rolling with the Docker
image. I'll see what I can get done over the next week or so.


-Jonathan Leong


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Adam John <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have to weigh in and say that I agree that the bar here was set high from
> several perspectives.
>
> I'm currently evaluating what components of this project can be most useful
> for incorporation into 2 separate projects. If either one moves forward in
> the next 6 months, there will be more developers actively involved here.
>
> That said, I've watched some of the transition videos from Google folks and
> read a lot of the docs, reviewed code and worked on implementing this
> project for myself.  It is daunting and would benefit overall from 2
> significant - imho critical - updates;
> (1) the Product itself needs real changes - like the concept of bots needs
> pulled out from core terminology and revamped as a more current common
> concept / ie agents.  There needs to be better organization of the Product
> from concept to contribution.  This is not to diminish the vast resources
> present, only to highlight an improvement area.
> (2) the Architecture needs serious review and revision to figure out how
> best to leverage other projects and allow focus on the specific benefits
> this project enables.  The technology stack overall needs better separation
> at least from a newcomers perspective.
> As a third factor, and #1 on my list for adoption is rolling docker images
> for the project.  This is essential in my humble opinion to allow new
> developers to focus on the pieces they feel most equipped to contribute
> comfortably...
>
> I don't know how the major changes I am suggesting get introduced and
> discussed in much more detail.  I'm hoping that perhaps I lieue of a
> potentially dismissive email "vote" ... Maybe a virtual conference would be
> of interest?  I would hope that the participants of such a convention would
> be the core of a nascent rebirth.  Yes I am volunteering to help take this
> on if there is interest...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam John
> (914) 623-8433
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 12:43 PM, "Zachary Yaro" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I am in a similar boat.  I have front-end development skills, but I
> struggle to fully understand the back-end functionality or begin separating
> the client from the server.
>
> Zachary Yaro
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 11:51 AM, "Thomas Wrobel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I have tried on 3 separate occasions to understand the server. Its
> > simply not in my skillset and I don't have the time to learn. I don't
> > wish to sound arrogant there, theres learning needed for anything of
> > course. But its too much investment -  I want to apply skills that I
> > already have. Last time I tried to get into wave development (which
> > was I admit a few years back) it took me 3 days to even compile the
> > server. Which is frustrating for someone that just wants to work on a
> > client.
> >
> > So I am certainly not waiting for permission, I am waiting for a
> > prerequisite  of a server/client split. I understand I can neither
> > demand or expect such a thing. Developers on a project like this just
> > have to jump in on what they feel like. Nothing can really be expected
> > and I accept that.
> > I simply am informing there's "lesser" developers like me that could
> > work on bits if certain other things happen.
> >
>

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