On 29 Nov 2013, at 13:50, Raphael Bircher wrote:
Hi Upayavira
Am 29.11.13 13:24, schrieb Upayavira:
The way open source communities such as this one work, the road map
needs to be defined by the people doing the work. It would be easy
for
some of us to come up with a cool roadmap, but if coders aren't
behind
it, it will be pointless effort.
That's true. I have just the feeling, that wave is a bit loost in
space. I don't talk about a long time roadmap. I talk about a short
roadmap, from release to release.
We have had a roadmap. It was simple: push out the next release.
Even for release checking and voting were hardly people available.
Ali Lown put a lot of time into the RC and got only less responses. To
less.
At the same time a lot of people showed up here and discussed potential
options for future directions of Wave.
When the dust settled the discussions had some kind of a consens but
(almost?) nobody put in actual code.
More than people discussing the future Wave needs people creating the
future - writing code.
Everybody on this list can easily check out the codebase and send back
patches. No need to discuss if somebody
has experience in GWT or not. IF you want to contribute, just DO it.
Checkout code, send patches. Its open to all.
If folks are interested in coding Wave, whether at Apache or
elsewhere,
I'd encourage them to jump in and start suggesting where they think
it
should go.
I just want to say, that in my point of view, the Apache Structure is
not the problem. I beleve a move to GitHub will not help for the long
term. For my point of view, it's the wrong way to adress the problem.
The incubator has a specific goal: create a community around a product
which is able to self govern.
Wave has not managed to build up a community since 2010-12-04. So far
there are many interested and curious people but nobody
actually works on the project.
With discussing the end of incubation i don't want to solve the actual
problem of this project. Actually I can't.
The people around this project need to that.
The incubator is a complicated environment with many rules. With going
out of the incubator this project would have to follow less rules.
Patches can be accepted more easily (github is easier than the ASF in
that perspective).
I have no problem with leaving Wave a little longer here. But so far I
don't see any sense in doing so as nothing happens here.
And I say this even when I like Wave and with deep respect to the few
people who actually contributed in the past.
Cheers
Christian
Greetings Raphael
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