> On 18 Mar 2022, at 17:29, Miklós Tirpák <miklos.tir...@emnify.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Getting back to some of the topics,
> 
>> 
>> The main concern about RST was to recover from a 3rd party sending RSTs into 
>> the session.
> This would require the sender to spoof the src IP, right?
> Are you aware of any scenario when an RST followed by subsequent data could 
> happen during a "normal" session and it should really keep the session 
> established?

No. But I am no tcp expert. :-)

>>>>>>   - Any FIN or RST will move session to transitory without recovery to 
>>>>>> established
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right, so if one side says “FIN” a.k.a. I’m done with sending data to 
>>>>> you, while the other party still has data to send, then you just cut it 
>>>>> off. Not sure how often this occurs in real world...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Agree, I was also concerned about this. No idea how prevalent this is. I 
>>>> could add a counter I suppose that would count number of packets in 
>>>> transitory state. Or packets hitting a non garbage collected entry within 
>>>> the time window between established and transitory.
>>>> I also have another patch that expands on the syslog session logging, 
>>>> which could be used to do post session analysis to learn better how well 
>>>> the state machine fares.
>>>> 
>>>> In half-closed packets are still allowed to pass, just with a transitory 
>>>> timeout instead of established.
>>>> So if one side sends FIN, and the other sends a packet an hour later, that 
>>>> will not work. But if the other side sent it 3 minutes later it would.
>>>> Assuming default timers.
>>> 
>>> Maybe Miklos can provide some insight into this as they seem to do a lot of 
>>> “device is rarely communicating”.
> 
> If the FIN was received, then this should be okey I think. Both sides are 
> aware that the session is closing.

Yes, although the proposal does not wait for the FIN to be ack’ed. 

> If the FIN and all of its re-transmits are lost, then this can become a 
> problem indeed. When the other side sends data after an hour, the packets 
> will be dropped and it can take a long time until the re-transmission timer 
> expires and the session is re-established by the client. (This also means a 
> lot of extra packets, which matters for IoT.)
> I would, however still prefer to make this change and rather speed-up the 
> reconnect by sending an RST, as I have indicated before. The client behavior 
> would be the same, it would anyway get an RST from the other side. If you 
> agree, then let us create a separate patch for the RST and we can contribute.

It would be cool if we could, but can without essentially making it into a tcp 
proxy?

Cheers 
Ole

>> Yes, that would be good to know.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Ole
> 
> 
> 
> 
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