Of course if you want to get stupid about it, if only what we see is rendered in any detail then maybe the microscopic world and atoms stop existing when we aren't looking, and it is all just coarse simulation.
And if a tree falls in the forrest and no one is there to hear it... And if I am short sighted and look on a vista it doesn't need to render as sharply because I can't fully appreciated. Now this version of the world might be rendered of a modern computer, sure. but for what point if we are simulated too and not truly conscious? Computers can't gain consciousness (unless the raw materials have it in the first place). though it may be amplified possibly. That is really just logical, though maybe not something that can be argued if someone believes otherwise, only recognized as true. Besides that the question must be asked 'why'? Why simulate something, and what is a simulation anyway? Simulations still exist as physical reality. Play an imersive 3D computer game you could say that it is not real, but the world of the game is physically existent in reality in the processes that are going on in the computer. Soooooo a simulation isn't unreal, rather it is a particular way of decoding what is going on. Our world looks very different when decoded in a different time scale, size, under different portions on the EM spectrum, or different spectra all together. It would look very strange when looked at with varying the number of dimensions. So simulated if not the right word, the right word would be contrived. Where a world can be created by a set of interlocking mechanisms to produce a desired functioning different to the 'default'. But if this is so, would the contrived reality be contrived by executed by a computer or by creating unusual conditions in space.aether/higgs field that allows different qualities for reality? John On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:01 PM, John Berry <[email protected]> wrote: > That is still ridiculous. > > What evidence would you expect there to be for aliens that is absent, > except for totally open public exposure/disclosure? > > > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Blaze Spinnaker <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Well, there's an argument that this is the solution Fermi's Paradox. >> That is, where are the aliens? Perhaps there aren't any, because the >> simulator can only really do earth and that's it. >> >> It's like the star trek holodeck, you walk outside the deck and you >> vanish. >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:06 PM, John Berry <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The aether, cold fusion, antigravity, free energy is all crazy talk. >>> >>> But maybe reality is a simulation because some movies were made >>> depicting this, well that's totally sensible. >>> >>> Since that isn't a threat to the status quo. >>> >>> Of course the pre-pre-pre-pre matrix version of this were the Gnostics. >>> >>> The problem with the modern version is the the inefficiency is huge. >>> I read something saying that all the computing power in the world could >>> only calculate some infinitesimally small chunk of space. >>> >>> Any "Computer" able to simulate a universe of a given size must be >>> incalculably larger than that universe. >>> >>> Really all of this is just an excuse for the fact that the current model >>> of physics is seriously flawed since it is missing the major part of the >>> picture. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Blaze Spinnaker < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> http://discovermagazine.com/home/issues/2013/dec/09%20do%20we%20live%20in%20the%20matrix#.UpV2cGSOg9w >>>> >>>> I was thinking that the quantum law that waveforms are not collapsed >>>> until observed is a useful law which would come in handy for simulation in >>>> terms of load balancing (no need to calculate the waveform until it's >>>> actually observed). >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Thirteenth Floor … *déjà vu all over again. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is no defensible answer to “what is reality”… but if we add >>>>> “Inception” to this 2005 list, which includes "Vanilla Sky," the "Matrix" >>>>> films, "Minority Report," "Dark City" and "The Cube" … we are left with a >>>>> glimpse of something which defies logic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg02551.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg03702.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> …try to get Christopher Nolan to direct it, if you have the screenplay >>>>> ready… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If we go by Bostrom’s argument, probability dictates that the next >>>>> universe will be a dress rehearsal too (bugs included), ala 13th floor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The interesting thing about Bostrom’s is that it also applies to the >>>>> idea that we (as a species) came from another planet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
