On Sat 6/8/13 Harry said: Would you agree that a violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics is
equivalent to violating conservation of momentum while still obeying conservation of energy? Harry, I am saying there IS an energy source, That the NAE taps zerp point energy to perform work, since COE assumes no usable work can be extracted from random gas motion, ZPE is already in violation of COE, that is to say without a cooler reservoir to transfer heat to, the thermal energy is quickly exhausted. I would posit that my fractional H2 or Ed's hydroton do not produce photons or even exist outside the Ni suppression geometry. It is the quantum Ni geometry that provides abrupt changes to the negative equivalent velocity of the hydrogen, breaking the isotropy into a tapestry of different values, seemingly in violation of gravity's square law based more on the inverse cube law of Casimir geometry. Interestingly it is the same virtual particle pairs responsible for gas motion and prevention of certain gases from forming solids at 0 k that will accumulate segregated regions of larger and smaller particles when Casimr geometry is present, but at vastly different scales, The random motion of gas is caused by interaction with these virtual pairs growing into existence and then shrinking out in totally random directions inside and surrounding the gas atoms and does not change from the gas atom perspective inside the NAE, what does change is the unit time based on this segregation of virtual particle pairs and this is why The Naudt's paper redefined the hydrino as "relativistic hydrogen". Suddenly these gas atoms have different equivalent velocities from our perspective depending on diffusion and how fractional their orbital state becomes.. but because this is relativistic hydrogen I am positing no differences can be observed by the atoms locally and except for radioactive gas the dilation would likely go unnoticed. What does occur is that the random motion suddenly has the potential to do "useful" work.. the tapestry establishes a self assembled framework that can be utilized to extract useful energy from random motion. It still needs a reversible reaction that can be carefully cycled above and below a threshold to generate heat without self destruction. The violation of gravity's square law by Casimir's inverse cube may be the real enabler here because we know that the random motion of gas will not accomplish this feat in the macro/isotropic world, but inside the Casimir tapestry these atoms are exposed to dynamic changes in Casimir effect, their momentum is being modified by abrupt changes in equivalent velocity due to changes in the unit time, in effect they are actually moving on the time axis when they appear fractional to us. Reversible Chemical reactions can be a diode to extract energy from these relativistic changes where molecules and atoms have different affinities for changes in this tapestry allowing us to create asymmetry. My posit is that any difference between how atoms and molecules react to changes in Casimir force is exploitable - If the atoms or molecules are allowed to migrate between different regions in a symmetrical manner they will simply translate to different fractional values and then translate back upon return without benefit..but moving a fractional molecule and then disassociating before allowing return it is asymmetrical, even if the molecule immediately reforms it will be at a different fractional value based on the local geometry. Fran >From wiki. One classification of perpetual motion machines refers to the particular law of thermodynamics the machines purport to violate:[4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion#cite_note-4> * A perpetual motion machine of the first kind produces work <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_%28thermodynamics%29> without the input of energy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy> . It thus violates the first law of thermodynamics: the law of conservation of energy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_conservation_of_energy> . * A perpetual motion machine of the second kind is a machine which spontaneously converts thermal energy into mechanical work. When the thermal energy is equivalent to the work done, this does not violate the law of conservation of energy. However it does violate the more subtle second law of thermodynamics <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics> (see also entropy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy> ). The signature of a perpetual motion machine of the second kind is that there is only one heat reservoir involved, which is being spontaneously cooled without involving a transfer of heat to a cooler reservoir. This conversion of heat into useful work, without any side effect, is impossible, according to the second law of thermodynamics.

