Axil, you show that you have no understanding of the second law. The
laws of thermodynamics simply define how energy must flow in a system
and how the system must behave as a result of the energy. The laws do
not address the source. In the case of Rossi, he has an obvious source
that cannot be identified. This source has no relationship to the laws
of thermodynamic. Nevertheless, the energy that results from this
source, regardless of how it is created, MUST follow the laws of
thermodynamics. NO VIOLATION EXISTS.
Ed Storms
On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
From the get go, when you come to think in more simple terms, isn’t
seeing a glowing pipe pumping out six time more energy than is going
in a de facto violation of the 2nd law of thermodynamics?
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Axil Axil <[email protected]> wrote:
I was going to write this post, but you beat me to it. Your post is
more elegant and persuasive than mine would have been.
This common flaw in the reason and logic that most people use, this
2nd law of thermodynamics hangup, is going to make the experimental
revelation showing BEC activity in LENR too hard for people to take.
They just won’t believe their lying eyes.
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Kevin O'Malley
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>
wrote:
O'Malley <[email protected]> wrote:
***Then as long as those theories can explain this experimental
result, everything is in good shape. Why would you say "That's not
good"?
This is an experimental finding, not a theory.
It is not good because the laws of thermodynamics are probably right
and therefore this experimental result is probably wrong.
***Sounds a lot like the entire field of LENR.
Until it is widely replicated most people will assume it is wrong.
***Let me see -- LENR, 14,700 replications. Most people still
assume it's wrong. There is the distinct possibility that this BEC
experiment could be widely replicated and most people will assume it
is wrong.
The problem there is that people seldom try to replicate results
which appear to be wrong on the face of it.
***What we have here is an experimental piece of the puzzle that
shows BECs absorb energy and could account for the 2nd miracle of
missing gammas in LENR. Y E Kim's theory has been given yet another
leg up. First, it was high temperature BECs forming. Second, it is
that BECs absorb energy. BECs do not "disobey" the 2nd law of
thermodynamics any more than plasmas do.
- Jed
