At 12:42 PM 12/11/2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
Just to be clear on something I recently opined. Itâs one thing to express a personal opinion of extreme doubt and suspicion, as I have recently done. Itâs quite another thing to assume oneâs personal opinion is the correct one that otherâs should emulate.
Sure. However, I've just pointed to the obvious.
If there is the slightest chance that this outfit has something valid, I do not wish to in any impede them (financially or politically) in their efforts to bring such a new technology out into the open.
There is some chance that there is something valid about the Papp engine. It's a serious mystery. Papp was an enigma, clearly crazy as well. However, he did some demonstrations. It's always possible they were thoroughly rigged. It's simply never been demonstrated. Some knowledgeable and not-naive people have been impressed. Which doesn't prove anything, because a sophisticated con, in demonstrations that are not thoroughly open, can fool anyone.
That's why we want independent demonstrations. Some want fully-independent ones, but demonstrations using a kit or the like, supplied by the inventor, can be possible, as long as those examining the thing can *fully* investigate the kit!
OTOH, simply based on just the general appearance they exude and aall I know is that I want to run in the opposite direction as fast as I can. Iâm left with a subjective impression that what this all seems to boil down to is: âWe need more money to get our baby off the groundâ. Maybe they do maybe they truly do.
They could say so. But what they actually do is to claim that they have something already. They actually did have Popper kits. The question is whether or not they worked, that is, sure, they might "pop." the piston would move, perhaps. But how much energy went into compression and/or the spark activation, compared to how much work was done moving the piston? I've seen no analysis.
But not with my money. It wouldd be useful to locate a competent individual or organization that has performed due-diligence on this outfit. Does such an animal exist? Would they willing to go on the record and express what they have surmised?
What we have is Sterling Allen, who cut John Rohner a lot of slack. And who is now about as negative as I can imagine him getting.
http://pesn.com/2012/12/10/9602241_Inteligentry_Egg-on-Face_PowerGen/
