In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 25 Jun 2012 10:58:01 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >Behavior of my mental experimental device begins with a proton removed a long >distance from the nucleus such that the force measured on my demon is >virtually zero. As I turn the screw the proton approaches the nucleus and the >force measured between is mostly coulomb since it operates over vast distances >as compared to the strong force. Very tiny amounts of electromagnetic energy >are released
Not at his point. Up till now, energy is being consumed. There is no energy release (as you point out yourself here below ;) . >since the motion is extremely slow for the test. The energy applied by me to >the screw is ramping up according to the integrated product of the force and >distance as the proton is forced toward the nucleus. The force is >proportional to the inverse second power of the distance so that I get the >usual voltage reading versus displacement as the distance is reduced toward >zero. >The force begins to increase strongly as the two elements approach each other >and thus the voltage rapidly increases. This process is continued as the >force becomes ever stronger resisting the motion and I continue to apply >energy to the system until a point is reached where the strong force equals >the magnitude of the electric coulomb force and a static no force point is >reached. From this point forth the force reverses and my demon now must >resist a force that draws the two parts together ever stronger with distance. >Under this condition, energy must be absorbed by my screw action and a point >will soon be reached where all of the coulomb energy I entered earlier has >been returned. Now, I find that I must take energy from the system at an ever >more rapid gradient with distance due to the overpowering strong force pulling >on the proton. Eventually the proton reaches a stable position within the >nickel nucleus and the force action upon it is reduced to zero and my demon >can relax. Whew! ;) >Now when the net energy associated with the above movements is determined I >hypothesize that the value is the calculated reduction in mass of the system >consisting of the nickel atom, a proton and an electron that makes the new >copper atom complete. When nickel 62 is subjected to this action I arrive at >copper 63 which is a stable element and 6.12232 MeV of energy have been >absorbed by the demon. Correct. >The most important aspect of this procedure is that all of the energy can be >released in the form of mechanical energy and there is no release of gamma >radiation whatsoever. Here you make the assumption that the final product will be Copper in it's ground state. In reality that may not be the case. Furthermore, depending on the Nickel isotope that you start out with the final Copper nucleus may be subject to beta decay (a slow process), resulting in longer term radioactivity. (e.g. Cu61). >The mass loss associated with binding energy is converted entirely into a safe >form that cannot be detected by a radiation detection device. I contend that >this might explain why LENR reactions of some types behave in this manner. Of >course a demon of this nature is not going to be available, but perhaps the >implication is that all we require is a strong coupling mechanism that retards >the motion of the proton as it makes it path into the nucleus of the target >atom. The electric fields associated with the electron cloud could be a >factor, as could other electromagnetic couplings. Nothing is going to retard the proton once the nuclear force gets it's claws into it. However as I have previously suggested, a fast particle can carry the energy away. E.g. an electron or a proton, or even multiple protons (from a condensate). >Of course, the nucleus itself would tend to slow down any proton heading in >its direction until the strong force intervenes. Note however that it's only after this point that excess energy becomes available - as your demon has demonstrated. >There is theory of strong interactions among electrons that result in heavy >electrons, why not give consideration to the same type of activity related to >protons? A heavy proton would most likely radiate energy at a much lower rate >than a lone proton as it is accelerated by the strong force. The proton doesn't radiate anything. Once it has formed a Copper nucleus, that new nucleus is in an excited state, and it is this Copper nucleus which radiates (unless it has already managed to dispose of the energy via one or more fast particles). >I have been searching for any type of mechanism that would reduce the high >energy radiation associated with nuclear reactions and maybe this can be >achieved since my demon suggests that a retardation effect would allow the >exact same amount of energy to be released over a longer period of time and >thus at lower frequencies. Talk to Fran, though I fail to understand how his mechanism would allow a *single* high energy photon emitted from the nucleus turn into *multiple* low energy photons observed externally. >The demon also works on neutrons as they are sucked in by a nearby nucleus. >The main problem is to locate a mechanism that can retard neutrons as they are >accelerated by the strong force. Perhaps others are aware a coupling >mechanism between neutrons and nearby atoms or each other that would perform >this function. If there is no way to slow them down then I suspect that it >will be impossible to eliminate the gamma radiation at the source. There are fast particle reactions that produce very little is any gamma radiation. Mostly alpha decay reactions. >This proposed mechanism appears to give a reaction such as the one proposed by >Mr. Rossi an advantage as compared to the W&L process with respect to gamma >radiation release. I also note that Rossi claims to be using nickel 62 and >nickel 64 which each are transformed into stable copper atoms that do not >undergo beta plus radiation. I suspect he only started claiming this after he became aware that they were the only isotopes that didn't produce beta-decay gammas. ;) >The lack of beta plus radiation prevents him from loosing energy due to >neutrino escape and the dangerous levels of 511 keV gammas associated with the >positron-electron annihilation. Some of the puzzle pieces seem to fit nicely >into place. Someone mentioned previously on Vortex that Rossi later said that it wasn't a nuclear reaction. Can anyone point to Rossi's statement in that regard? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
