I say DDSLA, "Different Dog, Same Leg Action". Until it is proven what
causes the FPE is not what causes the Ni-H effect, I'll continue to
refer to ALL such devices as FPE devices. I will not stand by and see
F&P denied the right to the effect they discovered. To go further, after
we start commercialization, we will pay 5% of our profits to F&P. I
would suggest that Leonardo and Defkalion should consider doing likewise.
AG
On 12/27/2011 12:24 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 07:32 PM 12/25/2011, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
I can't discuss the cell technology yet. I can say I consider a Ni-H
cell as a FPE device.
You can call a pig an eagle, but that won't make it fly.
Seriously, the term "Fleischman-Pons effect" is taken. It usually
refers to the "Fleischman-Pons Heat Effect," "FPHE," and is used only
for PdD devices. The FPHE is, in my view, an established phenomenon,
serious opposition to it disappeared from peer-reviewed journals years
ago. The *cause* of the FPHE remains in question, but the evidence is
quite strong that it's a process that converts deuterium to helium,
see Storms, "Status of cold fusion (2010), Naturwissenschaften,
October, 2010. I have seen no peer-reviewed criticisms that manage to
impeach the *correlation* of heat with helium. That is, if there is
anomalous heat with PdD, there is helium. No heat, no helium. The
statistical significance is very high.
NiH LENR has no such well-established foundation. It may or may not be
the same reaction. I've seen the comment, "I like to be parsimonious
with miracles," but that's not a solid argument that the two reactions
are the same. It's a reason to *suspect* that they might be the same.
(Obviously, they are not literally the same reaction; rather, it's
possible that some kind of mechanism can be elucidated, eventually,
that would apply to both PdD and NiH reactions, and, as well, to some
other possibilities hinted in the literature, but we should not found
the name of a reaction on speculation about the mechanism, or on
speculative similarity. That was the problem with calling the FPHE
"cold fusion," though, in fact, it almost certainly is some kind of
fusion; it took years for the clear evidence to surface on that.)
So, if these devices are not PdD devices, please don't call them FPE
devices, and, if they work, and are NiH, *that would not prove that
the FPHE was real.* However, we already know the FPHE is real, but, in
the other direction, that certainly doesn't demonstrate that NiH LENR
is real.
It only makes it a bit more believable, not quite as outrageous.
