OK, so I got a bit frustrated when the white flag was spit upon.  I admit that 
and I am sorry.

I guess I do not recall making a big deal about agents of Big Oil, since I do 
not think that they are keyed into the future yet.  Reset that thought if you 
think it was
one of my beliefs.

We are in agreement that a calm, honest discussion of the facts would be useful 
and I will be happy to accommodate you with that.  I have never been blindly 
following
Mr. Rossi without seeking the truth.  My analysis has always been about facts 
and will continue to be so.  As I have stated before, I have come to many 
conclusions
that a lot of Rossi supporters do not believe and I suspect that will continue 
to be true.

I want to make one observation for you and others to consider.  If the output 
power delivered during the  test were in the range of 500 kW, then all of the 
vapor exiting toward
the heat exchanger would be high quality.  There would be little water 
collected within the trap set by the HVAC engineer and every measurement 
obtained during the
October 28 test would fall into place.  This match between theory and measured 
fact is not a coincidence and should stand under any honest scrutiny.  The 
skeptic position
is that very little if any of the water was vaporized.  This is total non sense 
and will be easily dismissed when facing the real world conditions.

I prefer to start with the most basic assumptions and then build upon them as 
we prove whether or not Rossi has a true system.  Each proven point will lead 
to further
proofs as the model advances.  There is no way to skip the basics and come up 
with a complete, accurate picture.

If we are to proceed, I suggest that a good starting point is to estimate the 
pressure within the steam output pipes.  My first guess would be ~5 psi, but I 
am confident that
we have some members of vortex who can obtain a more accurate calculation so I 
yield the floor to them.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Hope <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, Nov 20, 2011 2:25 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How should I demonstrate LENR, if I can reproduce it?




On Nov 20, 2011, at 0:52, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote:





I made a good faith effort to explain the system to one of them to no avail.  
That particular one refused to discuss the operation of Rossi's 1 MW system in 
details point by point.  
It is apparent that he realized that his argument was being dismissed and ran 
for cover.  Maybe he was afraid that he would have to accept the fact that 
Rossi's test was valid
once his misconceptions were revealed.





That's not what I saw. I saw you start with insults,  then begin rational 
dialogue, get frustrated, and switch back to the insults. You didn't give the 
scientific discussion with Cude more than two days. 


I would like to see more scientific discussion. 




And also less dumb speculation about folks being paid agents of Big Oil. 

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