On 2021-11-23 17:44, Jones Beene wrote:
Thanks for remembering this experiment from Simon Brink !

The effect is surprisingly large and my bet is that it only works well with 316 grade SS.

If so - that would be good evidence for Mills' theory and the importance of the lowest energy catalyst. Nickel alone should not work as well.

As you suggest, eliminating color change should be attempted but for those who follow Holmlid, another wrinkle  would be using a laser pointer

To clarify, I've personally often observed plain steel turning black with cathodic electrolysis at relatively high currents with alkaline electrolytes like potassium hydroxide or carbonate, which should rule out oxidation, but I haven't tested SS316. I think this is more likely to occur if according to Simon Brink's diagram the applied voltage is 24V (it should generate large amounts of gas and heat), although the experiment description in the same page says 6V or a bit more.

I don't think an ordinary constant wave (CW) laser pointer will work well for Holmlid-type experiments; a Q-switched pulse laser might be required. Nowadays relatively affordable entry level models exist for cosmetic tattoo-removal and similar applications, which could be adapted for these experiments, but still they require close to 1000$ at the least.

Perhaps, as for a Holmlid-type suggestion that might be useful here, the plates could be coated with soot or fine graphite after drying. Not only this will make surface conditions roughly even, but carbon might be able to increase the chances of ultra-dense hydrogen formation from the hydrogen-loaded plate (which should slowly release hydrogen after electrolysis). Look for the keyword "carbon" in this open-access paper for more details: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijhydene.2021.02.221

Cheers, BA

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