Whole lot of missed opportunities with S/S that would have made it actually useful.
From: VoiceOps <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Daniel White via VoiceOps Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2024 10:41 AM To: VoiceOps <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Stale Caller ID NOTE: This is an external message. Please use caution when replying, opening attachments or clicking on any links in this e-mail. WARNING: Replies to this message will go to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>. If you believe this is malicious or are unsure if this is correct, please report it using the Report Phish button and our analysts will investigate it. There was a missed opportunity with STIR/SHAKEN to put the CNAM on the originating side. If I have to attest the validity of the call, then I should be able to attest the validity of the CNAM I send with it. [atheral-logo]<https://atheral.com/> Daniel White Co-Founder phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps<mailto:[email protected]> November 3, 2024 at 7:29 AM Hi, let's think about this a bit.. only the carrier that owns the number (according to LNP database etc.) knows what the CNAM data should be only that carrier should be able to edit CNAM data currently, as Kidd noted, terminating carriers look up the data (from one of numerous incomplete repositories of CNAM data) And if the database isn't the same one that the owning carrier publishes in then the data is just bad - cached, out of date, etc. How much are you all paying for CNAM data lookup on a monthly basis? The thing in the Internet world that this is the closest to, is DNS, and that's free to publish into and free to query. The costs of running the system are distributed. The key difference is how the system knows who controls a record and has the right to update it. Which is a more or less solved problem. So then it comes down to the technical means to get existing switches / PBXs etc to query the data. And to query the legacy databases during a transition time. Jawaid _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Kidd Filby via VoiceOps<mailto:[email protected]> November 1, 2024 at 2:10 PM In US PSTN-speak…. CallerID/name is a terminating feature, unlike Canada which is an Originating feature (data sent from caller). Until that changes, we are at the mercy of cached data by providers who don’t refresh/update their data. Unless Everyone dips the same exact database, which I don’t see happening anytime soon, there will be inconsistencies between carriers/providers. Kidd Filby 661.557.5640 (C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops chris via VoiceOps<mailto:[email protected]> November 1, 2024 at 12:47 PM It's too bad ENUM never took off. Would have been great to dip the number get direct sip uri, get a url/pointer to caller id/cnam data etc. Not to mention direct peering without so many hops. - chris _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Shawn L via VoiceOps<mailto:[email protected]> November 1, 2024 at 12:28 PM Unfortunately, you're at the mercy of the call-ed party's carrier. A lot of providers maintain their own database, and only periodically update it. I suspect this is a hold-over from when dips were expensive. That carrier may, or may not update their databases regularly. For esample when I call one of our consultants, my caller id comes up on his phone as the person who had my DID 20+ years ago, well before we had a relationship with the consultant. The correct information is being sent from our switch, and Neustar has the correct information, but his provider (I think verizon) is sending something that's completely wrong. _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Mike Hammett via VoiceOps<mailto:[email protected]> November 1, 2024 at 12:20 PM Sorry, you're right. 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