Some of the third parties were really good, and had more accurate data than the carriers.
When their data was bad, it was really bad. When it was good, it was really good. -- Alex > On Nov 3, 2024, at 5:49 pm, Kidd Filby via VoiceOps <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I guess that would depend on your definition of “official”. But, yes… the > LIDB is/was supposed to be the gospel. However, there are and have been > satellite databases for decades. They are all supposed to communicate and > play nice together. But… you know how that goes. Just like, if you had a CNAM > provider, you weren’t allowed, by contract, to cache the dipped data. That > rarely stopped anyone from doing it. > > > > Kidd Filby > 661.557.5640 (C) > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby > > > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 15:09 Ross Tajvar <[email protected]> wrote: > Are there multiple official CNAM databases? I thought there was just the LIDB. > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2024 at 9:30 AM Jawaid Bazyar via VoiceOps > <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > let's think about this a bit.. > > only the carrier that owns the number (according to LNP database etc.) knows > what the CNAM data should be > only that carrier should be able to edit CNAM data > > currently, as Kidd noted, terminating carriers look up the data (from one of > numerous incomplete repositories of CNAM data) > And if the database isn't the same one that the owning carrier publishes in > then the data is just bad - cached, out of date, etc. > > How much are you all paying for CNAM data lookup on a monthly basis? > > The thing in the Internet world that this is the closest to, is DNS, and > that's free to publish into and free to query. The costs of running the > system are distributed. > > The key difference is how the system knows who controls a record and has the > right to update it. Which is a more or less solved problem. > > So then it comes down to the technical means to get existing switches / PBXs > etc to query the data. And to query the legacy databases during a transition > time. > > Jawaid > > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 4:11 PM Kidd Filby via VoiceOps > <[email protected]> wrote: > In US PSTN-speak…. CallerID/name is a terminating feature, unlike Canada > which is an Originating feature (data sent from caller). Until that changes, > we are at the mercy of cached data by providers who don’t refresh/update > their data. Unless Everyone dips the same exact database, which I don’t see > happening anytime soon, there will be inconsistencies between > carriers/providers. > > Kidd Filby > 661.557.5640 (C) > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby > > > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 12:47 chris via VoiceOps <[email protected]> wrote: > It's too bad ENUM never took off. Would have been great to dip the number get > direct sip uri, get a url/pointer to caller id/cnam data etc. Not to mention > direct peering without so many hops. > > - chris > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2024, 2:29 PM Shawn L via VoiceOps <[email protected]> > wrote: > Unfortunately, you're at the mercy of the call-ed party's carrier. A lot of > providers maintain their own database, and only periodically update it. I > suspect this is a hold-over from when dips were expensive. That carrier may, > or may not update their databases regularly. For esample when I call one of > our consultants, my caller id comes up on his phone as the person who had my > DID 20+ years ago, well before we had a relationship with the consultant. > The correct information is being sent from our switch, and Neustar has the > correct information, but his provider (I think verizon) is sending something > that's completely wrong. > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2024 at 2:21 PM Mike Hammett via VoiceOps > <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, you're right. > > > CNAM > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Balashov via VoiceOps" <[email protected]> > To: "VoiceOps" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 1, 2024 1:06:45 PM > Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Stale Caller ID > > Caller ID, or calling name (CNAM)? > > > On Nov 1, 2024, at 1:52 pm, Mike Hammett via VoiceOps > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > How common is how stale of caller ID data? We have a customer that is > > complaining that they're getting the wrong data on their phone. They insist > > it's not a local directory. We've verified it works fine on other providers. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Mike Hammett > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > VoiceOps mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > -- > Alex Balashov > Principal Consultant > Evariste Systems LLC > Web: https://evaristesys.com > Tel: +1-706-510-6800 > > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Alex Balashov Principal Consultant Evariste Systems LLC Web: https://evaristesys.com Tel: +1-706-510-6800 _______________________________________________ VoiceOps mailing list [email protected] https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
