Can anyone speak to this "CLECs think FAS is OK because robocalls" claim? I'd really like to tell these carriers exactly how wrong they are, if they are. If not, we would all be collecting minutes on spam diversion instead of blocking it.
Regards, *Calvin Ellison* Systems Architect [email protected] On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 11:29 AM Joel Stalder <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Agreed that the threat of carrier blocking should be a serious deterrent > but blocking based on the SHAKEN root cert or SPID isn’t the only method. > There is an expectation of easy/instant traceback too, which will hopefully > generate onerous support costs for the offending carrier(s) before a BFH is > required. > > > > I think of caller verification and spam/fraud/robocall mitigation as two > potentially related but separate tools. If my network receives a call that > is SHAKEN-verified but has a very high spam/fraud/robocall score, it’s > blocked (SIP 608 response). The FCC has provided legal “safe harbor” to > block such calls without the potential threat of liability, as long as the > required processes are in-place to remove erroneous blocking. > > > > -Joel > > > > *From:* VoiceOps <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Paul > Timmins > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2021 10:45 AM > *To:* Nick Olsen <[email protected]>; Karl Douthit <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Voiceops.org <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Fake Voicemail Anti-Robocall Tactics > > > > I expect that people will attest spam. But we're allowed to block carriers > by spid if we want if we start getting garbage. The effective telecom death > penalty that'd create (along with the liability) will be an interesting > enforcement mechanism. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* VoiceOps <[email protected]> on behalf of Nick Olsen < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:27 PM > *To:* Karl Douthit > *Cc:* Voiceops.org > *Subject:* Re: [VoiceOps] Fake Voicemail Anti-Robocall Tactics > > > > My faith in STIR/SHAKEN has all but collapsed. I think we're just going to > end up in a situation where even the SPAM is attested. At least having a > breadcrumb to follow might help. > > > > Given the current state of SS. I won't hold my breath. > > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:44 PM Karl Douthit <[email protected]> wrote: > > Stir will only help if carriers actually pass or allow tokens. Still > waiting on several tier 1 carriers to take them. > > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 9:35 AM Glen Gerhard <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hopefully Stir/Shaken will make this a moot point. Calvin, are you saying > that a 608 is the recommended response for a call that is being rejected > due to S/S attestation or CVT reasons? > > ~Glen > > On 2/16/2021 8:19 AM, Calvin Ellison wrote: > > Today we received a notice from one of our underlying carriers that > included the following statement: > > > > * If a customer spoofs an ANI that they do not own, the clec's can forward > to call to a voiceless Voicemail which appears to be FAS. > > > > Is there any legal device that actually supports this practice? I'm > looking for a specific statute, FCC rule, precedent in a judicial ruling, > or the like. > > > > The FCC has ruled that the SIP 608 response code is to be used for > signaling when a call is rejected. I doubt the FCC or FTC has ruled that > terminating carriers are permitted to cause loss of trust and revenue > between upstream intermediate and originating carriers. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > *Calvin Ellison* > Systems Architect > [email protected] > +1 (213) 285-0555 > > ----------------------------------------------- > *voxox.com <http://www.voxox.com/> * > 5825 Oberlin Drive, Suite 5 > San Diego, CA 92121 > > [image: Voxox] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > VoiceOps mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > > > -- > > Glen Gerhard > > [email protected] > > 858.324.4536 > > > > Cognexus, LLC > > 7891 Avenida Kirjah > > San Diego, CA 92037 > > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > > > > -- > > Karl Douthit > > 10572 Calle Lee #123 > > Los Alamitos Ca. 90720 > > (562) 257-3590 (Desk) > > (562) 824-0757 <%28562%29%20827-0757> (Mobile) > > *www.piratel.com <http://www.piratel.com/>* > > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > _______________________________________________ > VoiceOps mailing list > [email protected] > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >
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