Actually, if my memory of computer history serves me right, Citrix came 
before TS. I think it went something like this. Citrix had developed 
MetaFrame and was starting to make a name for itself. Microsoft got all 
uppity about it and sued Citrix. In a settlement, Citrix agreed to sell 
Microsoft the work they'd done on MetaFrame and Microsoft agreed to pretty 
much leave Citrix alone. MS then developed WinFrame/Terminal Server with the 
code from Citrix and Citrix was able to continue developing and selling 
MetaFrame.

-Sam


On Saturday 15 December 2001 20:01, you wrote:
> Hmmm, your right, I think Citrix is just extending the capabilities of
> Terminal Server. But can't some of us on this list find out a way to let
> VNC be as good as Cirtix, or become even Greater than Citrix (even
> better!!!). What I am thinking is that if we can get look at a VNC server
> installed properly on any OS from any VNC client, we should be able to
> undertake this. I know that it may be a difficult task, but if a couple of
> people can create Unix and Linux, I know that this is definitly possible.
> Hopefully, though, one day everyone won't half to worry about that guy at
> One Microsoft Way.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Christopher
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re:VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix
>
> > At 7:17 PM +0000 12/14/01, Christopher Koeber wrote:
> > >VNC s excellent, well, at least in my opinion. What I am wondering is if
>
> VNC
>
> > >could become like Citrix, allowing multiple users to connect to a single
> > >windows machine. This would make VNC great, wouldn't it? Anyone's
> > > opinion
>
> is
>
> > >greatly valuable!
> >
> > If you have run a Winframe/Metaframe/Terminal Server you know how
> > much very low level coding went into getting it to work, and it still
> > doesn't work fully (in that many applications write either to c:\...
> > or their installed application directory, both of which are no-no's
> > in a shared user machine).   Oh the the reliance on DLL's in the
> > system directory of the server means that you can only ever have one
> > version of a MS product installed.
> >
> > There is a really big leap between hacking into the graphics code,
> > which is what VNC does, and rewriting the OS (BTW Citrix has a
> > license to MS's source code or it wouldn't have been able to).
> > --
> > --------------
> > David A. Smith
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > The box said: "Needs Windows 98 or better," so I bought a Macintosh.
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