All the more reason not to update until some kinks are worked out. I’ve been there many times wishing I didn’t update right away because of having to deal with the kinks!
Kindly, Janet. From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2025 6:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover Right, but we are using iOS 18.4. So, perhaps something changed for some of us, but not all of us. Richard, USA, "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught how to fly." -- Barbara J. Winter. My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet gross Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2025 4:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover Hello Richard and Sieghard, I also have an iPhone 16 Pro iOS 18.3.1, and I have no problem accessing my Apps in my folders in the App Library. Just some food for thought. Kindly, Janet. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2025 1:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover Why then do I have no issues accessing apps in the apps library? It works entirely without issues for me and I have an iPhone 16 Pro which I know, Richard, you have as well. There has to be something else in play. From: 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 4:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover I was curious, so I just checked and Alan is correct. The apps that are in folders in the App Library are completely inaccessible. I will file a report on this because while the work around does get the job done, the App Library should be completely accessible. Richard, USA, "When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught how to fly." -- Barbara J. Winter. My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 2:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover Sieghard, Although I'm not a regular user of the App library, I suspect this issue goes all the way back to iOS 18.4. I believe I did open some App library folders in earlier versions of iOS 18 and the opened groups were not presented graphically on my iPhone 13 Mini and the apps located there were still accessible to VoiceOver. I spoke with Apple Accessibility twice today and the second person was helpful. She told me how to delete an an installed app not located on a home screen without the need of accessing the App library. Go to Settings, General, iPhone Storage, and lower down the screen the installed apps are listed in the order of the amount of storage they use from most to least. Their is now a sort button that gives you the option of sorting them alphabetically. When you locate the app you want to remove, you can double tap it and a screen offering a delete option opens. Alan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2025, at 3:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: I have an iPhone 16 Pro, but I did have an iPhone 13 Pro and while I don’t know how far back this goes for you, I certainly don’t recall having this I ssue with earlier versions of iOS 18 on my iPhone 13 Pro. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 11:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover Sieghard, Yes I'm sure screen recognition isn't on in the App library because on my iPhone 13 Mini, screen recognition isn't even available in my rotor on that screen. What device are you using since you aren't experiencing the same issue I am and I suspect the issue might be different or nonexistent for newer devices? Thanks. Alan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2025, at 12:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Are you sure you haven’t screen recognition somehow enabled when you are in the App Library? I have no issues reading or accessing apps from the App Library. I actually don’t hardly ever use it, but just to be sure I went there now and I noticed a folder called “Information and Reading, 9 items”. I double tapped on it and it opened up and I get apps like Audible, Books, CBC News, ElevenReader. Also listed are Google Translate, Translate, Merlin Bird Id, News and Stocks. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: App library and accessing apps within groups which are presented graphically and inaccessible to Voiceover Hello List, I’m running iOS 18.4 on an iPhone 13 Mini and am very concerned about results I’m getting in the App Library. I would appreciate comments from other users about their results and I’ll provide more details below. As you know, the App Library is accessed as the last screen following your last home screen. You swipe through your various home screens by placing focus on an app on one of them and doing a 3 finger swipe left which will advance you to the next home screen which will be announced as some number of a total by Voiceover depending on how many apps are installed on your device. After you land on the final number of your home screens, the next 3 finger swipe left will place you on your App Library screen. My App Library screen is a bit of a mess because I have over 300 apps installed on my device. There doesn’t seem to be any order as to how things are presented on the App Library screen. Some apps are listed individually and some are presented in groups. The problem I’m experiencing is that if the app I’m seeking is located in a group, opening that group presents a graphical screen which is totally inaccessible to Voiceover. I’m curious whether those with newer devices are experiencing the same thing or not. If you could access your App Library, find the Utilities or some other group, and double tap to open it and let me know if you are presented with an accessible screen or not where you can take action on the individual apps there, I would very much appreciate it. If you experience the same issue I am, you might find your device inaccessible and if you have a device without a home button, you will need to access your home screen by placing your finger in the bottom right corner of the screen and slide up until you hear the first tone and release which should return you to an accessible home screen. If anyone can recommend how to remove an app that is only located within a group in the App Library, I would very much appreciate it as I’m unable to access edit mode in the screen presented graphically which is required in order to take action on the app. I’m noticing that these graphical presentations are starting to appear more frequently which should concern every Voiceover user. 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