Thanks, Richard.  Good points and helpful as usual.

Marda

On 3/1/2025 11:22 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:

Marta, Thanks for the kind words on my web site,.

I honestly don't miss the home button.

The gesture for the App Switcher or going home is not that hard with a little practice.

You can use the side button for Siri much like the home button.  I pretty much only use the app switcher now to close out apps, unless I am somewhere that asking Siri to open an app is not appropriate.

I mostly tell Siri to open x y z app.

HTH,

Richard, USA,

"When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen: there will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught how to fly."

-- Barbara J. Winter.

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Hi, Richard.   Thanks for adding that info.  That was one of my initial feelings of frustration because you can do a lot of those things quickly with the home button (accessibility shortcut, tripple click, app switcher double click, Siri, hold, wait for the sound (or just hold for the appropriate time if you can't hear the sound which because of my hearing loss I sometimes can't) and it seemed like taking away the home button and assigning its functions to several different things was making things needlessly complicated.  But then, what do I know?  I don't know much about tech and certainly am not a designer or programmer, just a lowly end user who has gotten to like doing things a certain way but of course will adapt.  Thanks for as always being so helpful and thanks too for your website which I have directed quite a few people too with happy results.

Marda

On 3/1/2025 10:00 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:

    Hi Marta,

    Yes, I was just giving the default function not having read
    through Scott's complete email comparing the 16e and 16.

    But, here is all the things you can set the Action button to:

    Silent/Ring mode

    Focus

    Camera, Open the camera app

    Flashlight

    Voice Memo

    Recognize Music

    Magnifier

    Controls. )the comment here says Quickly access your favorite
    control.)

    Shortcuts, (which says Open an app or run your favorite shortcut.)

    Accessibility, (quickly use an accessibility feature.)

    No Action.

    I added the explanation where I thought it was useful in that
    list.  Note you can only have the action button do any one of
    those things.

    I have a demo that I recorded on my web site for the gestures to
    try and help folks learn how these work.

    It is a few headings down on the demos page, link below.

    https://www.turner42.com/DEMOS.html

    HTH,

    Richard, USA

    "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." --
    John Wesley

    My web site: https://www.turner42.com

    (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c

        On Mar 1, 2025, at 12:03 AM, Marda <marda.pian...@gmail.com>
        <mailto:marda.pian...@gmail.com> wrote:

        

        But the action button can also be set up to do other things as
        well, right?  So if you choose not to have it function as a
        toggle between ring and silent modes you can have it do
        shortcuts like the accessibility shortcut or you can have it
        do other things like turn on a specific focus mode, turn
        airplane mode on or off or things like that.  Not sure if you
        can make the action button put you in the app switcher or not
        and I don't think you can do things like you can with the home
        button like double click it for the app switcher and tripple
        click it for the accessibility shortcut and if you don't use
        it to toggle between silent and ring mode I'm not sure how
        you'd easily do that so it doesn't seem as though it's as
        versatile as the home button unless there's something I'm
        missing which seems sad to me.  I'm not sure I understand the
        rationale of getting rid of a button that has multiple
        functions with one that can only do one thing, can't be double
        or tripple clicked.  I'm not sure about face ID either.  I've
        heard from some people that, for instance, if they wear a mask
        (which is sometimes still required in certain situations) it
        has trouble.  Also, can it really tell the difference with
        people like identical twins i.e. will an identical twin get
        access to your iPhone because it can't tell the difference in
        the face IDs?

        Marda and so on.

        On 2/28/2025 8:23 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:

            The Action button replaces the switch above the volume
            buttons on the left side. Instead of a lever, it is a
            button that if you hold it in it will toggle from ring
            mode to silent mode. If you tap it, it tells you which
            mode you are in.

            The action button is about half the length of the volume
            button.

            The button on the right is the power/lock button, and if
            held in, you can talk to Siri.

            The 16 models that came out last fall also have a camera
            button on the lower half of the right side that can be
            used to take pictures and do other camera controls. It
            also works with Be My Eyes for taking a picture.

            The 16e does not have that camera button.

            HTH,

            Richard, USA

            "While striving for perfection, let us do what is
            possible." -- John Wesley

            My web site: https://www.turner42.com

            (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c

                On Feb 28, 2025, at 5:17 PM, 'Curtis Delzer' via
                VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
                <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

                I did not see this, thank you!

                I do not know what that "action" button is, the right
                hand button on the phone for locking, etc? thanks

                On 2/28/2025 2:48 PM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:

                    I don't know if you saw the article from
                    AppleVis.com, but here it is.

                    Hands On with the iPhone 16e: My First Impressions

                    iPhone 16e availability in the U.S. is less than
                    24 hours away, and ahead of the launch, I was
                    provided a unit for review.

                    Going into today, I was looking forward to sharing
                    the iPhone 16e with our community, especially as
                    there has been much anticipation and excitement on
                    AppleVis surrounding this phone in particular.
                    Unboxing podcasts are a lot of fun, especially
                    when the recording goes well. And I am of the
                    opinion that as Apple no longer sells a device
                    with a Home Button, we should be doing everything
                    possible to ease the transition for people who are
                    still on older devices for whatever reason. It’s a
                    bigger deal than you might think, especially for
                    the everyday blind, DeafBlind, or low vision user
                    who really relies on that Home Button as an anchor.

                    All in all, there is a lot to talk about with the
                    iPhone 16e, but I wasn’t going to say any of it
                    today. But that changed when I actually
                    experienced the iPhone 16e for myself.

                    The iPhone 16e is Apple’s most affordable phone at
                    US$599, and, to be honest, I was disappointed by
                    the price when it was announced. I see the iPhone
                    16e as the iPhone for the everyday person, the
                    person who just needs an iPhone to do the basic
                    things. And I really was hoping Apple could get
                    the price down to something under $500 and make
                    that phone available to as many people as
                    possible. On the other hand, the iPhone 16e has a
                    lot of advanced tech (a current-generation A18
                    processor, Apple Intelligence, the Action Button,
                    an all-new Apple-designed modem, just to name
                    four); so the starting price is more
                    understandable when you consider what all you’re
                    getting.

                    Concerns about price aside, I tried to approach
                    reviewing the iPhone 16e with an open mind. I know
                    what I like in an iPhone, and I also know that the
                    iPhone 16e is meant for a different type of user
                    than me. And yet, I interact with people from all
                    walks of life; and for many of them, all they want
                    is a basic iPhone. So the iPhone 16e interested me
                    at first for those reasons: Is this the modern
                    iPhone for everyone?

                    As interested as I first was in the iPhone 16e, I
                    never expected that I would personally ‘like’
                    it—especially after only a few hours with the
                    device. But I do like it—a lot.

                    Generally, I gravitate towards the bigger phones
                    for their battery, speaker, and bigger ‘feel’.
                    ‘Bigger’ has always meant ‘better’ to me. But the
                    iPhone 16e challenges my assumptions in a pretty
                    big way, no pun intended. Contrary to my
                    expectations, I actually really like the thing. I
                    like the way it feels in my hand. Picking it up,
                    holding it while on the phone, even sending
                    messages with Braille Screen Input—it feels great.
                    And this was unexpected to say the least.

                    Perhaps just as unexpected and even better than
                    the device’s ‘hand-feel’, are the speakers. Yes, I
                    said ‘speakers’ because both the bottom speaker
                    and earpiece speaker are noticeably better than my
                    $600-more-expensive iPhone 16 Pro Max. In my
                    review of the iPhone 16 Pro Max, I shared about
                    issues with the quality of sound output from the
                    speakers. Other members of the community have
                    experienced similar issues.

                    I am happy to report that the sound on the iPhone
                    16e has none of these issues. At higher volume,
                    the iPhone 16e puts out a lot of bass for its
                    size. (I remember my iPhone 15 Pro being similar.)
                    But, unlike my personal iPhone 16 Pro Max, the
                    iPhone 16e better maintains this bass at lower
                    volumes. There is none of the dramatic fluctuation
                    in bass with volume adjustment that I see on my
                    iPhone 16 Pro Max, and this is a subtle—but
                    nevertheless huge—improvement.

                    And it is not just the bottom speaker that is
                    improved; the earpiece speaker has more bass as
                    well, making the sound fuller and more natural. I
                    was on a FaceTime audio call shortly after setting
                    up the iPhone 16e, and I actually called the
                    person back from my iPhone 16 Pro Max to be sure I
                    wasn’t just imagining things. I wasn’t—the speaker
                    quality is just better. If the speakers are
                    important to you, you will really like the iPhone 16e.

                    The iPhone 16e has a 6.1-inch display, similar to
                    recent smaller iPhones. If you have seen an iPhone
                    13 or 14, or their Pro counterparts, for example,
                    the iPhone 16e’s size will be familiar to you. The
                    iPhone 16e has the same A18 series processor as
                    other iPhone 16 devices, and VoiceOver performance
                    is as snappy as on my iPhone 16 Pro Max.

                    In the iPhone 16e, Apple has tried to make the
                    iPhone 16 experience available to more people at a
                    lower price. The device has a lot to like: the
                    same series of processor, support for Apple
                    Intelligence, and other key features of the iPhone
                    16 family—even an Action Button. But there is no
                    getting around the fact that the iPhone 16e’s
                    starting price tag of US$599 is still way out of
                    reach of a lot of people, which is both
                    unfortunate and also a lost market opportunity for
                    Apple. Nevertheless, everything I have seen with
                    the iPhone 16e so far suggests that Apple may very
                    well have a hit on its hands.

                    Watch this space.

                    Article from:

                    
https://applevis.com/blog/hands-iphone-16e-my-first-impressions

                    Richard, USA

                    "While striving for perfection, let us do what is
                    possible." -- John Wesley

                    My web site: https://www.turner42.com

                    (sent from my iPhone 16 pro) c


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