Richard, I may well be wrong here but I think Screen Recognition can only be 
enabled within apps and not on any of the screens containing apps if you see 
what I mean.

One thing I would like to see is Actions added to the verbosity settings in 
Applications so that for example when reading an e-mail message one could 
suppress the announcement of “actions available’ after each line.  There are 
instances where this announcement is useful but you can only adjust this 
globally.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 22 May 2021, at 14:27, Richard Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>  Malcolm,
> I'm with you about the screen recognition.
> I was thinking if it was on, maybe it was messing him up.
> It could also be his technique of sliding, he may actually be sliding between 
> the icons.
> I never recommend sliding around to find an icon/app. Flicking is far more 
> reliable.
> If nothing helps, it will be time to call Apple Accessibility and do a screen 
> share so they can see exactly what is happening when he touches his screen.
> Good luck,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
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>>> On May 22, 2021, at 2:33 AM, Malcolm Parfitt <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hello Richard,
>>  
>> Thanks for correcting me on the latest version number of iOS, I have the 
>> beta running here and my memory is not quite what it used to be.
>>  
>> I have checked all settings on his iPhone and he has it set up identically 
>> to mine. So I don’t know what’s going on but I’ll have another look later.
>>  
>> I have not found Screen Recognition to be of any use.
>>  
>> Before anyone criticises  me for saying that, I am not saying Screen 
>> Recognition is useless, it is just that it has not proved useful with the 
>> apps and the way I use my iPhone.  I look forward to future developments.
>>  
>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: 21 May 2021 22:09
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Strange iPhone SE 2020 question?
>>  
>> I do not know what he is doing to not have other apps announced, but he may 
>> want to check the settings for describe images and screen recognition. Also, 
>> 14.5.1 is the latest build.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Richard 
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>  
>> www.turner42.com
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On May 21, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Malcolm Parfitt <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine has an iPhone SE 2020 running the latest iOS 14.4.
>> 
>> If he places his finger on the screen and moves left, right, up or down 
>> Voiceover does not announce the apps as he moves through them although the 
>> iPhone does make the click and provide haptic feedback as expected.
>> 
>> The only way he can have apps announced is to flick right and left through 
>> them.
>> 
>> Oddly enough, the only apps that are spoken correctly if he places his 
>> finger on them and moves right and left are those in the Dock.
>> 
>> So for example on the bottom row he has:
>> 
>> Phone, Mail, Safari and Music.  If he places his finger bottom left and 
>> moves right apps are read out correctly but no where else.
>> 
>> Any suggestions welcome.
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
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