Fair enough Jonathan, and I did think about that since I knew Todd was
deaf blind. If he'd said Android wasn't an option for him because of
it's inadequate braille support then I never would have said anything.
Since he made a blanket statement though, I guess I jumped in when maybe
the smarter thing would have been to let it go.
I think of myself as sympathetic to the deaf blind, but I admit, I don't
often think of the challenges faced by the deaf blind. I'm also not sure
that I agree with Todd that his deaf blindness explains away his
rudeness on this list.
On 21/11/16 05:03, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
Hi Christopher, Todd is Deaf Blind, so for him, Android is not at all
viable. It's Braille support as publicly available is well below par.
I have learned the hard way that there is little sympathy on this list,
or in the blind community as a whole it seems, for the needs of the Deaf
Blind which is why I have mostly stopped posting here. But I did want to
chime in and at least make this point.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org
On 21/11/2016, at 2:14 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Have you personally tried both platforms? I don't have a problem with
someone having an opinion and thinking IOS is more accessible than
Android, but I think it's a disservice to blind people everywhere to
state something as a fact that's only an opinion. this is especially
true when it isn't based on personal experience but rather just hear
say. There are definitely areas where IOS is more accessible than
Android, but for how I use my phone, I find Android is just as
accessible as Apple. IMHO, the question of whether one is more
accessible than the other is more complicated than just stating it's a
fact. It goes to how each person uses their phone and what each person
finds to be important to them. This is why I like reviews from people
who have used both platforms and I discourage people from listening to
one line statements.
Besides, you've said both that Android isn't accessible at all and
that it isn't as as accessible as IOS. These two statements aren't the
same, so which are you saying is a simple fact?
On 20/11/16 19:05, Todd Patkus wrote:
Chris,
No. It is a simple fact. I am sure Rich will tell you about it.
You are missing something this time.
Todd
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From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:58 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS
It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I
find Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an
iPhone at the office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my
own personal use.
Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible
at all, which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as
accessible as Apple, which is what you said in your second message.
On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote:
Chris,
Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible.
This is true.
That is all I can tell you.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS
It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think
Apple is more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android
not being accessible at all.
I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be
an annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern
with Apple then they must be doing a great job with accessibility!
On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote:
Mary,
Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about
this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did
tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to
realize this.
Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible
device so far. I do not bother Android at all.
Todd
*From:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]]
*On Behalf Of *Mary Otten
*Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS
My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're
not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on
the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or
whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any
better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you
don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard?
Mary
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
All:
Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the
delete issue?
One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but,
when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not
be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it.
Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails
to realize.
Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What
kind of thing is that?
Use your common sense!
That is all I can say now.
Thanks,
Todd
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