Hi Christopher, Todd is Deaf Blind, so for him, Android is not at all viable. It's Braille support as publicly available is well below par. I have learned the hard way that there is little sympathy on this list, or in the blind community as a whole it seems, for the needs of the Deaf Blind which is why I have mostly stopped posting here. But I did want to chime in and at least make this point. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org
> On 21/11/2016, at 2:14 PM, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected]> wrote: > > Have you personally tried both platforms? I don't have a problem with someone > having an opinion and thinking IOS is more accessible than Android, but I > think it's a disservice to blind people everywhere to state something as a > fact that's only an opinion. this is especially true when it isn't based on > personal experience but rather just hear say. There are definitely areas > where IOS is more accessible than Android, but for how I use my phone, I find > Android is just as accessible as Apple. IMHO, the question of whether one is > more accessible than the other is more complicated than just stating it's a > fact. It goes to how each person uses their phone and what each person finds > to be important to them. This is why I like reviews from people who have used > both platforms and I discourage people from listening to one line statements. > > Besides, you've said both that Android isn't accessible at all and that it > isn't as as accessible as IOS. These two statements aren't the same, so which > are you saying is a simple fact? > > On 20/11/16 19:05, Todd Patkus wrote: >> Chris, >> >> No. It is a simple fact. I am sure Rich will tell you about it. >> >> You are missing something this time. >> >> Todd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Christopher Chaltain >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:58 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> It's an opinion, and it may be your opinion, but it's not a truth. I find >> Android as accessible as Apple, and even though I still use an iPhone at the >> office, I've switched to using an Android phone for my own personal use. >> >> Also, in your first message, you said that Android wasn't accessible at all, >> which isn't nearly the same thing as saying Android isn't as accessible as >> Apple, which is what you said in your second message. >> >> On 20/11/16 18:40, Todd Patkus wrote: >>> Chris, >>> >>> Whatever you say. I am aware of Android not being as accessible. This is >>> true. >>> >>> That is all I can tell you. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:37 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >>> >>> It's not true that Android isn't accessible at all. You may think Apple is >>> more accessible, but that's not the same thing as Android not being >>> accessible at all. >>> >>> I've always found the Apple apps I can't remove from my iPhone to be an >>> annoyance and not a huge deal. If this is our biggest concern with Apple >>> then they must be doing a great job with accessibility! >>> >>> On 20/11/16 18:32, Todd Patkus wrote: >>>> Mary, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, they seem to be so, but Apple Inc. needs to do something about >>>> this. Not all want these or any of the “undeletable” apps. I did >>>> tell the staff at Apple Accessibility on this one. They fail to realize >>>> this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Android is not accessible at all. iPhone is the most accessible >>>> device so far. I do not bother Android at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *On Behalf Of *Mary Otten >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:28 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Delete & remove in iOS >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're >>>> not just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on >>>> the last page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or >>>> whatever, I suggest you get an android and see if you like that any >>>> better. This is such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you >>>> don't have to look at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> All: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the >>>> delete issue? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, >>>> when I tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not >>>> be deleted”. This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails >>>> to realize. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. What >>>> kind of thing is that? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Use your common sense! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is all I can say now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V >>>> iPhone list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the >>>> list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>> send an email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>> Quinn >>>> - 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