Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

rajmund Sat, 19 Nov 2016 00:44:00 -0800

OK, if I get yelled at, be it. Todd, I don't understand why snap ateveryone. would it be possible to change your attitude, please?

On 19/11/2016 12:32 AM, Todd Patkus wrote:


Hello, Helga,

First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), whichmeans death in German! Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, notTod. Thank you.


Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users.

Todd

*From:*[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *OnBehalf Of *Helga Schreiber

*Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Tod and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voicememos app in order to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwoi s deafblidn uses it as well to record! And yes, I agree that thereare a lot of bugs in software, but one should not complain aboutthem; instead, one should suggest in fixig them. If one keepscomplaining then things will never get fix! I know that using abraille display with an apple device is sometiems difficult, but notimpossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much!


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Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1

On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    John,

    It is so easy for you to say what you said below.

    The statement I made stands to be correct.

    Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their
    updates!  I am sure Rich will tell you something.

    No need to remind me about opinions.  I am not opinionated;  I am
    making facts.  That is it.

    Todd

    *From:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *John Panarese
    *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Subject:* Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

       Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of
    one person. It is not universal. What you consider to be important
    apps or unimportant apps is not shared among everyone. I agree
    with you on things like Stocks and Voice Memos, but I know others
    who would not agree with that. So, as the expression goes, Apple
    can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the
    people all of the time.

       Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product
    based on the fact that so many different development teams do so
    much different work as updates are made available. I don’t
    particularly feel we need yearly updates to operating systems, but
    apparently, the majority of those who buy the products do
    appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that
    have lingered for far too long, but name a software product in
    which  one cannot make an equally valid statement. Android,
    Windows, etc … they all have them.


    Take Care

    John D. Panarese

    Director

    Mac for the Blind

    Tel, (631) 724-4479

    Email, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>

    Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

    APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer

    AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE

    MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT

        On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Sieghard,

        The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the
        ones that I consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be
        "non-native" but those apps that are absolutely useless, such
        as voice memos, stocks, should never be native but non-native.
         That is where I stand for.

        It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and
        should never have been native in the first place.  They missed
        the point.  I was one of the ones who spoke out loudly at
        Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have their products.
         When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt
        statement to them making them realize they are just wasting
        such efforts making them native.  That cannot be so.

        Meantime, I see still bugs there.  Apple needs to do more than
        just release new versions of the iOS.  They need to learn to
        do more thorough diagnoses to ensure the apps work correctly
        before releasing them.  Think about it.

        Todd



        -----Original Message-----
        From: [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
        Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:55 PM
        To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

        Hi Todd,

        The good news is that as of iOS 10 you can in fact delete
        native apps such as Mail, Voice Memos, Stocks, Calculator and
        so on. There are still some which are essentials to the
        operation of the phone which can't be deleted and that of
        course makes sense. These are apps like the App Store,
        Settings and so on.


        Regards,
        Sieghard

        -----Original Message-----
        From: [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
        Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:23 PM
        To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

        Hello there, Sieghard,

        I have a Braille Sense U2 Mini, so I would have to find the
        correct commands for that.

        As for that app Home, it is totally useless to me, and I have
        no need for it.  So I would have kicked that goofy (smile) app
        out for good.

        The only thing I abhor about Apple is that they tend to put
        many apps on all products that are often useless and cannot be
        deleted completely due to them being native apps.  That really
        sucks!  Yes, these folks at Apple Inc. are missing something
        in a large way.

        Not just Apple but other companies do the same.  I just do not
        understand how these folks act like this.  they like to show
        off by saying there are apps you need but the opposite is true.

        It is just a real goof on them!

        Thank you, Sieghard, for the information concerning the Home app.

        Todd

        -----Original Message-----
        From: [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
        Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:11 PM
        To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

        Hi Todd,

        Apple has come up with a standard for home automation devices.
        These are things like connected thermostats, lights like the
        Philipps Hue, door locks, automated sprinkler control systems,
        cameras, devices to open and close curtains or blinds and so
        on. If you have any such devices and they support Apple's Home
        Kit standard they will appear in the Home app.

        I don't have a braille display, but maybe you know what
        commands to use if I tell you how I delete apps and if you
        have ever moved apps you are half way there. First, if I swipe
        up or down on any app on any home screen, Voiceover says
        "Arrange Apps". At that point you can swipe up  or down again
        with one finger and this will go back and forth between
        "Activate Item" or "Move" followed by the name of the app.  If
        you then double tap on "Activate Item" you will be asked if
        you want to delete the app and you can confirm and it will be
        deleted.


        Regards,
        Sieghard

        -----Original Message-----
        From: [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus
        Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:36 PM
        To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
        Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

        Chris,

        You mean that app is more for managing your personal doings?

        It is still on my iPhone now.  How do one remove that Home
        app?  Remember I am deafblind so I am a strong Braille user.

        Thank you.

        Todd

        -----Original Message-----
        From: [email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of christopher
        hallsworth
        Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:30 AM
        To: Viphone <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>>
        Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

        Hi

        The "home" app is the hub for managing homekit devices. I
        simply removed it in the very first, and I mean very first,
        non-public, beta of iOS 10, as I have no homekit devices and
        was simply not interested.




            On 18 Nov 2016, at 04:09, Todd Patkus <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            To all:

            Many of you may know this, but wonder if any of y’all know
            exactly what the Home app that was appended to iOS 10.1.1
            is for?  Exactly what does Home do?

            If any of y’all have used it for a time, share some of
            your experiences with it.

            Todd

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