I agree with you wholeheartedly, I do not understand why this topic continues I think it has been blown out of the water and the moderators need to stop it soon it's getting a little bit ridiculous everyone is allowed to have their own opinions.
Peggy Sent from my IPhone. > On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:00 AM, Dacia Cole <[email protected]> wrote: > > The only other thing I have to say is that I know first hand that the > NFB is very pro guide dog. Numerous members have them and there is a > very active national division for guide dog users and a number of > states have divisions as well. Does the NFB endorce one school over > another, no, but they are NOT ANTI GUIDEDOG!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you > think they are, do your research. Ask questions, visit the NAGDU > website and such. You can't make an informed opinion without > reasearching first. I myself don't have a guidedog, the long white > can is cheaper for me, lol. However, I know several members of the > Federation who do. Does the NFB always get it right? No, but neither > does any organization. So stop being petty and dragging everything > through the mud and act like the adults I know we all are. > > thanks, > Dacia > >> On 8/26/16, rajmund <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello. I have to agree about the email bug. I mean, they've had a year >> to fix it, now. >>> On 26/08/16 03:16, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> Well, I think we're talking about more than just a few inconveniences. >>> I was one of those who was hit with that bug where VoiceOver would >>> hang almost every time I got a call and I had to hard reset my phone. >>> Sure people who weren't hit by this bug can say it's no big deal, but >>> IMHO, that's only true if you don't use your iPhone to make phone >>> calls. I still have that bug where VoiceOver freezes up when I reply >>> to an email message. Sure, I can squash the home button six times to >>> work around this, but when I was on vacation last week, and the only >>> way I could check on my email back at the office was with my iPhone, I >>> sure regretted not just biting the bullet and schlepping my laptop >>> around with me on vacation just so I could reply to my work emails. >>> Fortunately, I don't have the voice dictation issue some are talking >>> about, but I can empathize with anyone who isn't able to use such a >>> key feature of their high end smart phone. >>> >>> I agree nothing is perfect, but inconveniences using your smart phone >>> is one thing and bugs that keep you from using key features is a horse >>> of another color. I also don't think any company should get a pass >>> just because they have a lot of products or a lot to do. Apple chose >>> to be in the markets their in and put out the products they do. They >>> also sell high end devices. Apple is also a very wealthy company. If >>> they need to put more resources into improving quality then they could >>> thin out their product line a bit. I'm not saying they have to do >>> that, but I'm also not feeling sorry for Apple because they have so >>> many products making them so much money. >>> >>>> On 25/08/16 09:08, Devin Prater wrote: >>>> I now use Linux on my Apple computer. I also have an Android tablet, but >>>> that's more for seeing if I want my nexp phone to be Android. I have >>>> nothing against the people at Apple, I just would rather have more >>>> control and freedom on my devices, and know that there are plenty people >>>> where that doesn't matter, but I'm just slightly more techie than >>>> Apfle's regular customer. That being said, I don't find Apple's little >>>> bugs to be that bad. Sure, you may need headphones when dictating, and >>>> no, that's not fair at all, but they're a huge company with too much on >>>> their plate as it is, with 4 operating systems, several products. I >>>> don't expect any system to be perfect. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Roger Frischenmeyer >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find it interesting that the resolution is critical of Apple for not >>>>> testing their releases for excess ability and issues around the >>>>> voiceover software, yet no resolution called on any other technology >>>>> company to even work to make their product. Fully accessible. I wonder >>>>> if there is a little pettiness with the national Federation of the >>>>> blind when it comes to Apple and truthfully, it makes me question the >>>>> credibility of that organization when it comes to software and these >>>>> topics. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Dacia Cole <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016 >>>>>> convention. As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion >>>>>> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love >>>>>> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Dacia >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than >>>>>>> I have >>>>>>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and >>>>>>> this is >>>>>>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the >>>>>>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, >>>>>>> all of >>>>>>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and >>>>>>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone >>>>>>> heard. >>>>>>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was >>>>>>> passed so >>>>>>> I can make up my own mind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote: >>>>>>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB >>>>>>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate >>>>>>>> prioritization to >>>>>>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass >>>>>>>> despite >>>>>>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant >>>>>>>> surprise >>>>>>>> in iOS 9.3.4. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse >>>>>>>> who is an >>>>>>>> avowed Apple basher. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without >>>>>>>> any merit >>>>>>>> whatsoever. It certainly causes me to have very little regard for >>>>>>>> NFB and >>>>>>>> that organization’s leadership. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” >>>>>>>> where the >>>>>>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming >>>>>>>> grounds >>>>>>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the >>>>>>>> object >>>>>>>> meant that once you achieved the highest point all other gamers were >>>>>>>> determined to knock you down in the belief that they would then >>>>>>>> occupy >>>>>>>> that high point. 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