The only other thing I have to say is that I know first hand that the NFB is very pro guide dog. Numerous members have them and there is a very active national division for guide dog users and a number of states have divisions as well. Does the NFB endorce one school over another, no, but they are NOT ANTI GUIDEDOG!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you think they are, do your research. Ask questions, visit the NAGDU website and such. You can't make an informed opinion without reasearching first. I myself don't have a guidedog, the long white can is cheaper for me, lol. However, I know several members of the Federation who do. Does the NFB always get it right? No, but neither does any organization. So stop being petty and dragging everything through the mud and act like the adults I know we all are.
thanks, Dacia On 8/26/16, rajmund <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello. I have to agree about the email bug. I mean, they've had a year > to fix it, now. > On 26/08/16 03:16, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Well, I think we're talking about more than just a few inconveniences. >> I was one of those who was hit with that bug where VoiceOver would >> hang almost every time I got a call and I had to hard reset my phone. >> Sure people who weren't hit by this bug can say it's no big deal, but >> IMHO, that's only true if you don't use your iPhone to make phone >> calls. I still have that bug where VoiceOver freezes up when I reply >> to an email message. Sure, I can squash the home button six times to >> work around this, but when I was on vacation last week, and the only >> way I could check on my email back at the office was with my iPhone, I >> sure regretted not just biting the bullet and schlepping my laptop >> around with me on vacation just so I could reply to my work emails. >> Fortunately, I don't have the voice dictation issue some are talking >> about, but I can empathize with anyone who isn't able to use such a >> key feature of their high end smart phone. >> >> I agree nothing is perfect, but inconveniences using your smart phone >> is one thing and bugs that keep you from using key features is a horse >> of another color. I also don't think any company should get a pass >> just because they have a lot of products or a lot to do. Apple chose >> to be in the markets their in and put out the products they do. They >> also sell high end devices. Apple is also a very wealthy company. If >> they need to put more resources into improving quality then they could >> thin out their product line a bit. I'm not saying they have to do >> that, but I'm also not feeling sorry for Apple because they have so >> many products making them so much money. >> >> On 25/08/16 09:08, Devin Prater wrote: >>> I now use Linux on my Apple computer. I also have an Android tablet, but >>> that's more for seeing if I want my nexp phone to be Android. I have >>> nothing against the people at Apple, I just would rather have more >>> control and freedom on my devices, and know that there are plenty people >>> where that doesn't matter, but I'm just slightly more techie than >>> Apfle's regular customer. That being said, I don't find Apple's little >>> bugs to be that bad. Sure, you may need headphones when dictating, and >>> no, that's not fair at all, but they're a huge company with too much on >>> their plate as it is, with 4 operating systems, several products. I >>> don't expect any system to be perfect. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Roger Frischenmeyer >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I find it interesting that the resolution is critical of Apple for not >>>> testing their releases for excess ability and issues around the >>>> voiceover software, yet no resolution called on any other technology >>>> company to even work to make their product. Fully accessible. I wonder >>>> if there is a little pettiness with the national Federation of the >>>> blind when it comes to Apple and truthfully, it makes me question the >>>> credibility of that organization when it comes to software and these >>>> topics. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:13 AM, Dacia Cole <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016 >>>>> convention. As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion >>>>> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love >>>>> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement. >>>>> >>>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Dacia >>>>> >>>>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than >>>>>> I have >>>>>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and >>>>>> this is >>>>>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the >>>>>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, >>>>>> all of >>>>>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and >>>>>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone >>>>>> heard. >>>>>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was >>>>>> passed so >>>>>> I can make up my own mind. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote: >>>>>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB >>>>>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate >>>>>>> prioritization to >>>>>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass >>>>>>> despite >>>>>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant >>>>>>> surprise >>>>>>> in iOS 9.3.4. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse >>>>>>> who is an >>>>>>> avowed Apple basher. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without >>>>>>> any merit >>>>>>> whatsoever. It certainly causes me to have very little regard for >>>>>>> NFB and >>>>>>> that organization’s leadership. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” >>>>>>> where the >>>>>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming >>>>>>> grounds >>>>>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the >>>>>>> object >>>>>>> meant that once you achieved the highest point all other gamers were >>>>>>> determined to knock you down in the belief that they would then >>>>>>> occupy >>>>>>> that high point. 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