Christopher, The point here is that Ioana is not in Europe, she is in Canada and she stated that she has received refunds several times. Its not a guarantee as she said but it works. I assume that if you do it too often, they would get wise but, meanwhile, let's use it wisely and not dispute it.
Ron & Danvers -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for iPad The web page I referred to at http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund talks about the US refund policy, and it does state that there's a 14 day return policy, but it also explicitly says this does not include electronic downloads. In fact, here's what it says with respect to that point: There are some items, however, that are ineligible for return, including: Opened software* Electronic Software Downloads Software Up-to-Date Program Products (software upgrades) Apple Store Gift Cards Apple Developer Connection Products (Membership and Technical Support) Apple Print Products *You can return software, provided that it has not been installed on any computer. Software that contains a printed software license may not be returned if the seal or sticker on the software media packaging is broken. I Googled but couldn't find Apple's return policy for Europe, but I did find a bunch of articles like the one at http://9to5mac.com/2014/12/29/app-store-itunes-refunds-eu/ where it does refer to Apple's change in their return policy in Europe to include App Store purchases. It also states in this article that the return policy in North America has not changed, and that all sales are final except at the discretion of Apple. BTW, the two hour window to return apps purchased from Google Play is not just in Europe but covers the US if not the rest of the world as well. On 02/22/2015 01:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Hi Christopher, > > As of November last year Apple changed their terms and conditions in European > union countries to allow for a 14-day return policy which is in line with > what the EU recommends. You can find this easily by Googling it. Remember > that many members on this list are from Europe so they may believe this is > true here as well which it is not. Having said this, an article I read about > this pointed out that Apple did indeed implement such a policy, but they > essentially circumvent it by also saying that refunds only apply if the > content has not yet been downloaded. Of course most Apple digital content > begins to download once you buy it so it appears to be for cosmetic reasons > only. > > The article also points out that on the Google Play store in EU countries you > have 2 hours to request a refund and 2 weeks for music subscriptions. > > I should also mention that I have received refunds for 2 apps which I found > were not accessible after asking for it nicely and explaining the problem, > but it is definitely a decision the iTunes Store support people make on a per > case bases and I would not count on it. I also doubt it would apply to an app > like Talking Atlas which the developer has specifically made accessible even > though some may find it unacceptable that they have to turn off Voiceover or > something along those lines. At some point a couple of weeks ago I saw a > message where somebody had purchased KNFB Reader and apparently they couldn't > get good results and were asking if they could get a refund. I doubt this > would be granted since this was obviously user error since the app works > great for everybody else. > > > Regards, > Sieghard > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 10:59 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for > iPad > > Maybe you could provide a link to a page where these terms and conditions you > refer to are spelled out. As I said, I pointed to Apple's own page on their > official refund policy, where it states that electronic dowloads are not > covered by their refund policy. > > In addition, the page at > http://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/us/terms.html says: > > All sales and rentals of products are final. > > Prices for products offered via the Services may change at any time, and the > Services do not provide price protection or refunds in the event of a price > reduction or promotional offering. > > If a product becomes unavailable following a transaction but prior to > download, your sole remedy is a refund. If technical problems prevent or > unreasonably delay delivery of your product, your exclusive and sole remedy > is either replacement or refund of the price paid, as determined by Apple. > > On 02/22/2015 12:23 PM, RobH. wrote: >> I'm sure the last t&C stated an app refund policy so long as done via >> their particular way and within a strict time limit. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:09 PM >> Subject: Re: App refunds totally possible was Re: Talking atlas for >> iPad >> >> >> You may be able to get a refund from Apple for an App Store purchase, >> but this is at the discretion of Apple and is not part of their >> official refund policy. The link I posted was to the Apple site, and >> it clearly says that electronic downloads of software are not covered >> under Apple's return policy. I would strongly encourage anyone who >> purchases an app which doesn't meet your needs and which isn't >> accessible to report it using the process you point to and request a >> refund, but I wouldn't assume that you can just blithely download an >> app and get a refund if you don't find it accessible. >> >> On 02/21/2015 11:11 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: >>> Hi Christopher and everyone else, >>> >>> Just wanted to state again that apple totally allows refunds for app >>> store or any other online purchases. >>> Here's a link detailing how to do this. I have repeatedly made use >>> of this procedure. >>> http://ioshacker.com/how-to/get-refund-app-purchased-app-store >>> Hope this helps. >>> Ioana >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Chaltain >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> There's some confusion over searching in the App Store. If you >>>> double tap the search button then what you say may be true, but >>>> this isn't the same as looking for the suggestion that you get when >>>> you just start typing in the search field. >>>> >>>> Also, the two week return policy you refer to doesn't apply to >>>> downloads from the App Store. Here's a link to Apple's official >>>> return policy http://store.apple.com/us/help/returns_refund >>>> >>>> On 02/21/2015 04:27 PM, Jim Ruby wrote: >>>>> I thought if you searched for an app in the app store on your >>>>> iphone if an app was not compatible it would not show up or give >>>>> you a warning and not install. >>>>> >>>>> Keep in mind apple gives you two weeks to try a product, but I >>>>> think the price is to high and on top of that in app purchases for >>>>> a trivia game? For that price you should get both. >>>>> >>>>> Just my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of RobH. >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:39 AM >>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: Talking atlas for iPad >>>>> >>>>> Several have asked this, including me. And no, none of us want >>>>> to pay that much until someone says it works as well as they say >>>>> on the site, and even on Applevis where the link first showed up. >>>>> So we're all looking for a volunteer with £30 to spare for trying >>>>> this product. >>>>> Pity we couldn't all gift a proportion of the cost to a volunteer >>>>> to try it and report back publically. I've not tried gifting to >>>>> know how much control of amount one has; but if ten of us sent >>>>> £3/$5 each, it would be worth that to know the answer maybe? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> JMO, RobH, who'd also like this. Had a long'standing fascination >>>>> with geography. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Nancy Badger" <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 2:42 AM >>>>> Subject: Talking atlas for iPad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I just found this app in the App Store. I was wondering if anyone >>>>> has had any experience with it. Is it truly accessible? I don't >>>>> want to buy it until I find some one who has had experience with >>>>> it since it is so expensive. >>>>> Thanks for any help. >>>>> Nancy >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Christopher (CJ) >>>> chaltain at Gmail >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>> viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by >>>> default. 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