P6: http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/33161/P6.png
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < vali...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Guillaume, > > Thanks for starting this thread. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Current Drawer analysis: > > Languages ( L / G ) > --- > Home ( G ) [N] > --- > Administer wiki ( L ) [A] [W] > --- > Wiki Index ( G ) [I] [W] > Page Index ( L ) [I] > User Index ( L / G ) [I] > Applications Index ( L) [I] > --- > Create wiki ( G ) [A] [W] > --- > Delete wiki ( L ) [A] [W] > > > L = Local/Wiki setting/action/effect > G = Global/Farm setting/action/effect > > N = Navigation > A = Action > W = Wiki entity > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Some examples of grouping: > 1. Local / Global effect grouping (ex. Main/Subwiki actions should be > grouped) > 2. Entities grouping (Wiki related actions should be grouped: create, > administer, delete, etc.) > 3. Index grouping (group all index applications together) > 4. Navigation grouping (to Main wiki or other wikis) > 5. Actions grouping > 6. other? > > So the main question is what grouping would we want to prioritize first: > 1-5? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Some things to consider: > A. Naming consistency: > A1. Across wiki: we need to consider the terms usage. For example Home vs. > Homepage; Wiki vs. Subwiki; Settings vs. Administration; Wiki Index vs. > Browse all wikis vs. Show all wikis > -- We need to align these usages and pick the one most relevant for the > end user and correct as terminology > A2. Across the menu: this implies having all entries plural/singular or > having the same additional text (ex. do we mark Indexes the same way? > Administer wiki / Delete this wiki / Create a new wiki, etc.) > > B. Explicit (vs. Cryptic) > -- how explicit should we make the labels vs. icons usage > > C. Quick access to local actions > -- in subwikis we should optimize for local actions and try to display > them first, since some teams might have dedicated wikis and the main wiki > could be used just as a portal or as a farm > > D. Order most used actions first > -- for example 'Delete wiki' is not a very used action > > E. Navigation vs. Actions grouping > E1. Actions removal > -- for example we could even remove 'Delete wiki' action and consider that > the wiki management actions can be accessed just from Wiki Index > -- this would mean that 'Administrate wiki' would be removed too, and we > use that action a lot in the initial configuration phases, so that would > increase the time to reach Administration > E2. Adding more wiki navigation > -- For example http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12538 talks about > having a way to add quick access to other subwikis (ideally as favorites, > since listing all wikis does not scale) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Proposals grouping feedback: > Current. -1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), partial 4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -C (Quick access) > P1. -1 (Local/Global), partial 2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (indexes), partial 4 > (Navigation), partial 5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -C (Quick > access) > P2. partial 1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), partial 3 (Indexes), -4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), +C (Quick access) > P3. partial 1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), -4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), +C (Quick access) > P4. -1 (Local/Global), partial 2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), -4 > (Navigation), +5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), partial C (Quick > access) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > The problem is that when you approach an usability problem using these > kind of grouping / grading it's very easy to fall in the 'technicalities' > trap and not think about the user perspective. > > So although I understand why I proposed P1-4, for users it will not make > sense. That's why I like P5, because the grouping comes natural and is more > explicit, although is not using the consistent terminology. > > P5: +1 (Local/Global), -2 (Wiki grouping), -3 (Indexes), partial 4 > (Navigation), -5 (Actions) || -A2 (Naming consistency), -A1 (Across wiki), > +B (Explicit), +C (Quick access to local), ? D (Most used actions) > > Things to fix for P5: > - Think where to fit the "Languages" > - A1 + A2: we need to think about the naming of Indexes (especially Wiki > Index in this case) and fix them in drawer and across; replace Settings > with Administration; fix the "Go to ..."; consistent actions naming. > > Additionally we should fix A1 (see http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9363 > ) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Before starting this thread I tried to rethink about a new solution and I > came up with > P6: -1 (Local/Global), +2 (Wiki grouping), +3 (Indexes), +4 (Navigation), > +5 (Actions) || +A2 (Naming consistency), -A1 (Across wiki), -B > (Cryptic/Iconography), -C (Quick access), ? D (Most used actions), +E2 > (More navigation) > > i) Having Indexes listed before local actions (will give a -C for quick > access), but the advantage is that the menu composition will change less if > we visit main wiki vs. subwikis. P5 also have this propety. > > ii) I've grouped and added more navigation by providing the list of wikis. > There are several problems with this approach: > ii.1 - not scalable for large number of wikis (even though I've put an > accordion there) > ii.2 - cryptic actions (icon usage for Create, Administration, Delete wiki) > ii.3 - mobile issues (because the icons are very small and we will need a > different layout for mobiles or we might have problems with large wiki > names) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Miroslav Galajda < > miroslav.gala...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, I vote for P5 proposal. >> >> Mirec >> >> On 26 October 2016 at 10:28, Guillaume Delhumeau < >> guillaume.delhum...@xwiki.com> wrote: >> >> > No opinion? >> > >> > 2016-10-24 18:09 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < >> > guillaume.delhum...@xwiki.com>: >> > >> > > Hello dear developers and XWiki users. >> > > >> > > I would you to take a look at the issue http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/ >> > > XWIKI-13070. >> > > >> > > The problem is that the current order (that I have implemented based >> on >> > my >> > > intuition) seems to not be clear for our users. The main point is that >> > the >> > > menu mixes up global items (Home wiki, Wiki Index) and local ones >> > > (Administer Wiki, Page Index, Delete wiki, etc...). >> > > >> > > Caty and Oliver have made some proposals that you could find in the >> > issue. >> > > >> > > They are called P1, P2, P3, P4 and P5. >> > > >> > > I propose you to express your preferences so we can implement it >> based on >> > > a consensus. >> > > >> > > Here are mine: >> > > >> > > P1: There is a logical order and separation between item. However, it >> > > seems the more used actions (Wiki Index, Page Index) are less visible >> > than >> > > some other (Delete Wiki, Create Wiki...) >> > > >> > > P2: The order and the separation are logic. The "delete wiki" action >> is >> > > still very visible but all other items are good. >> > > >> > > P3: Same than P2. Except that having "Wiki Index" along with "User, >> Page >> > > and Application Index" mixes up local and global items. >> > > >> > > P4: Why not, but maybe the 3 first actions should be placed after the >> > > other ones, since they would be less used. Same remark about the >> mixing >> > of >> > > local and global items. >> > > >> > > P5: A clear distinction between local and global scope. More used >> items >> > > are located first. This is my favorite one. >> > > >> > > >> > > So +1 for P5, +0 for the other options so far. >> > > >> > > Now, what about you? >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > Guillaume >> > > >> > > PS: I send this message to both devs and users mailing lists, because >> I >> > > think users are directly concerned by this topic. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhum...@xwiki.com) >> > > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >> > > Committer on the XWiki.org project >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Guillaume Delhumeau (guillaume.delhum...@xwiki.com) >> > Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS >> > Committer on the XWiki.org project >> > _______________________________________________ >> > users mailing list >> > users@xwiki.org >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> users mailing list >> users@xwiki.org >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> > > _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
