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Jeffrey,

On 9/29/2010 2:38 PM, Jeffrey Janner wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that
> PermGen is not part of Heap.

It's not, and easy to test empirically:

$ java -Xmx16M -XX:MaxPermSize=32M -showversion

This command works, therefore PermGen is not part of the heap.

- -chris
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