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Mark,

On 9/16/13 5:09 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
> The only requirement on ordering is at the end of section 8.2
> which requires that application SCIs are discovered before
> container SCIs. That is the opposite to what is being requested
> here.
> 
> The issue needs to be raised with the EG. I'd suggest you create a
> JIRA.

While raising the issue with the EG might be appropriate, there's no
mandate from the EG that WebSocket services be initialized from an
SCI. I see this as a Tomcat problem, not a spec problem.

I believe it's reasonable for webapp code to expect a sane environment
during initialization. In this case, an architectural decision at the
container-implementation level (to use an SCI to get WebSocket going)
has collided with a reasonable expectation of a webapp implementer. I
don't believe the solution is to have the EG rule on this... the
solution is to make Tomcat meet expectations.

If that means changing from using an SCI to some other mechanism,
obviously the EG's opinion is moot. If you want to get the EG's ruling
and then work within that construct to get Tomcat's WebSocket SCI
working nicely in the above scenario, that's fine. But you shouldn't
use an unfavorable (or useless) ruling by the EG as cover for not
supporting this use case.

- -chris
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