This is a point of constant tension. On the one hand, people expect that the framework should provide out-of-the-box functionality and that includes client-side validation, the ability to update content in place (the Zone component, etc.). It also includes super-common functionality, like the Alerts system, and the floating JavaScript console.
On the other hand, there's the desire to not be locked in. I would rather concentrate on Bootstrap 3 (in the hopes that it would be stable) and perhaps work on a (funded?) extension to downgrade to Bootstrap 2. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Tony Nelson <tnel...@starpoint.com> wrote: > I don't think that Tapestry should ship with any css or javascript > personally. At least not the base package. If they want to make a contrib > package that adds something that's fine by me, but why, as a Tapestry user, > am I still forced to swallow their decisions on what libraries I'm supposed > to use. > > That's the whole point of the 5.3/5.4 rewrite. Letting users choose > javascript stacks. You can't choose your own js stack if you can't even > choose your own css stack. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon Williams [mailto:williams.jonat...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:06 PM > > To: Tapestry users > > Subject: Re: Bootstrap 3 and tapestry 5.4 > > > > That sounds good Mr 'Ship. > > > > It's not Mr. 'Ship's fault that twitter chose to change up things in > bootstrap 3. > > It would be a lot of work i would think just to maintain backwards > > compatibility to now outdated v2 api. > > & Of course obviously v2 is missing features of 3. Also Mr. 'Ship says > he's > > adding even more v3 bonus features. > > So we need these features right? I for one want new styling features. > Don't > > get upset about "losing" your v2 work, it's just refactoring. :-) > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Tony Nelson <tnel...@starpoint.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Is there any way to make all of that completely optional? I already > > > have too much code the requires bootstrap 2, you are going to make it > > > impossible for me to upgrade to 5.4, if you haven't already. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hls...@gmail.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:51 PM > > > > To: Tapestry users > > > > Subject: Re: Bootstrap 3 and tapestry 5.4 > > > > > > > > My plan is to upgrade to Bootstrap 3, and bundle Glyphicons and > > > > Font- Awesome as well. > > > > > > > > My hope is that Bootstrap 3.x and 4+ will stay compatible w.r.t. > > > > class > > > names > > > > and structure. > > > > > > > > There's going to be some work; for instance, the ControlGroup mixin > > > > is > > > now > > > > poorly named; and we'll need to modify a lot of components > > > > (TextField, TextArea, Select, etc.) to add the form-control class. > > > > In addition, > > > Bootstrap 3 > > > > makes all form controls 100% wide by default, which makes things > > > > tricky > > > if we > > > > want to easily support both vertical and horizontal layouts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Peter Hvass <p.hv...@albourne.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hear hear - I've already overridden bundled bootstrap with our own > > > > > less version (we remove some of the dependencies by default and > > > > > include them individually (alongside js) with components in order > > > > > to be more modular). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would be good to see tap 5.4 components updated to reflect any > > > > > breaking changes between 2.3 and 3. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the work on 5.4 so far! It's fantastic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: "Barry Books" <trs...@gmail.com> > > > > > To: "Tapestry users" <users@tapestry.apache.org> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:49:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: Bootstrap 3 and tapestry 5.4 > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with that. I suspect Bootstrap 3 will be done before > > > > > Tapestry 5.5 and the markup between Bootstrap 2 and 3 changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Dimitris Zenios > > > > > <dimitris.zen...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > Bootstrap 3 RC1 is released and get bootstrap page redirect to > > > > > > download > > > > > the > > > > > > new version instead of the old (2.3.2) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a suggestion maybe it will be better to upgrade the bundled > > > > > > bootstrap inside tapestry 5.4 to version 3 before a final > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Dimitris Zenios > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > > > > > > > Creator of Apache Tapestry > > > > > > > > The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. 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