I don't think that Tapestry should ship with any css or javascript personally.  
At least not the base package.  If they want to make a contrib package that 
adds something that's fine by me, but why, as a Tapestry user, am I still 
forced to swallow their decisions on what libraries I'm supposed to use.

That's the whole point of the 5.3/5.4 rewrite.  Letting users choose javascript 
stacks.  You can't choose your own js stack if you can't even choose your own 
css stack.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Williams [mailto:williams.jonat...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 2:06 PM
> To: Tapestry users
> Subject: Re: Bootstrap 3 and tapestry 5.4
>
> That sounds good Mr 'Ship.
>
> It's not Mr. 'Ship's fault that twitter chose to change up things in 
> bootstrap 3.
> It would be a lot of work i would think just to maintain backwards
> compatibility to now outdated v2 api.
> & Of course obviously v2 is missing features of 3. Also Mr. 'Ship says he's
> adding even more v3 bonus features.
> So we need these features right? I for one want new styling features. Don't
> get upset about "losing" your v2 work, it's just refactoring. :-)
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Tony Nelson <tnel...@starpoint.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to make all of that completely optional?  I already
> > have too much code the requires bootstrap 2, you are going to make it
> > impossible for me to upgrade to 5.4, if you haven't already.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:hls...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:51 PM
> > > To: Tapestry users
> > > Subject: Re: Bootstrap 3 and tapestry 5.4
> > >
> > > My plan is to upgrade to Bootstrap 3, and bundle Glyphicons and
> > > Font- Awesome as well.
> > >
> > > My hope is that Bootstrap 3.x and 4+ will stay compatible w.r.t.
> > > class
> > names
> > > and structure.
> > >
> > > There's going to be some work; for instance, the ControlGroup mixin
> > > is
> > now
> > > poorly named; and we'll need to modify a lot of components
> > > (TextField, TextArea, Select, etc.) to add the form-control class.
> > > In addition,
> > Bootstrap 3
> > > makes all form controls 100% wide by default, which makes things
> > > tricky
> > if we
> > > want to easily support both vertical and horizontal layouts.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Peter Hvass <p.hv...@albourne.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hear hear - I've already overridden bundled bootstrap with our own
> > > > less version (we remove some of the dependencies by default and
> > > > include them individually (alongside js) with components in order
> > > > to be more modular).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Would be good to see tap 5.4 components updated to reflect any
> > > > breaking changes between 2.3 and 3.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the work on 5.4 so far! It's fantastic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > From: "Barry Books" <trs...@gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Tapestry users" <users@tapestry.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 3:49:12 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Bootstrap 3 and tapestry 5.4
> > > >
> > > > I would agree with that. I suspect Bootstrap 3 will be done before
> > > > Tapestry 5.5 and the markup between Bootstrap 2 and 3 changes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Dimitris Zenios
> > > > <dimitris.zen...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone
> > > > >
> > > > > Bootstrap 3 RC1 is released and get bootstrap page redirect to
> > > > > download
> > > > the
> > > > > new version instead of the old (2.3.2)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As a suggestion maybe it will be better to upgrade the bundled
> > > > > bootstrap inside tapestry 5.4 to version 3 before a final
> > > > > release
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Dimitris Zenios
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
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> > >
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