Despite all of what you said I bet its still easier to take the library as opposed to duplicate all that effort. Like orders of magnitude easier. I am sure the author is willing to donate the code, if he didn't do so already.
On Nov 1, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com> wrote: > We've also had a number of cases of committers coming on, dumping code > (without tests or documentation), and disappearing. That causes a lot > of havoc. I'd prefer to have fewer features, better supported, than a > large ecosystem of broken and abandoned code. > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It's not always as simple as that. >> >> First, there is licensing; I can't just take a library; it has to be >> properly granted to the ASF. >> >> Second, I'm hesitant to take on code "from the wild"; ultimately, the >> T5 committers (primarily myself) end up taking on the responsibility >> for the code; t5conduit does not even include tests. >> >> Further, more changes are likely needed as I've been changing some >> APIs so that (specifically) it is possible to determine what >> extensions map to JavaScript. So the code as is may not compile >> against 5.4 since one key interface needed a new method. >> >> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Lenny Primak <lpri...@aceinnovative.com> >> wrote: >>> Please consider t5conduit for inclusion into Tapestry. >>> It already supports CoffeeScript and LessCSS >>> No need to reinvent the wheel here. >>> >>> On Nov 1, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The conversion from CoffeeScript to JavaScript occurs on the server. >>>> >>>> The generated JavaScript is quite straight-forward for most cases. >>>> >>>> CoffeeScript is more concise than JavaScript; it includes a couple of >>>> higher-order features, such as really smart loops, and smarter >>>> handling of function parameters; providing defaults, and handling >>>> extra arguments nicely. >>>> >>>> The -> and => syntax for defining functions is close to ideal for the >>>> web, where you constantly introduce new functions. >>>> >>>> Each module is automatically packaged up inside a hygienic function. >>>> All variables are declared before being used. CoffeeScript supports >>>> variable interpolation inside strings. >>>> >>>> However, if you want to replace a module (by contributing an override >>>> to the ModuleManager service), you can write that module is JavaScript >>>> or CoffeeScript. >>>> >>>> In fact, I haven't actually added support for CoffeeScript to the >>>> project; that will be a suggested add-on module that hasn't been >>>> written. Currently, the build is responsible for compiling >>>> CoffeeScript into JavaScript; what's getting packaged inside >>>> tapestry-core.jar is JavaScript. >>>> >>>> In the future, there will be a module that will detect the ".coffee" >>>> file extension, and convert that to JavaScript as needed, at runtime. >>>> >>>> Ive used CoffeeScript extensively over the last six months; I like it, >>>> I like how my code looks, I think the code is easier to follow and >>>> mantain. Brendan Eich thinks so too ... he's adapting idea from >>>> CoffeeScript (and from Python, and elsewhere) into the next-generation >>>> version of JavaScript. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo >>>> <thiag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:02:21 -0200, Paul Stanton <p...@mapshed.com.au> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ok, our usage of the term 'monkey-patch' is where the misunderstanding >>>>>> is. >>>>>> I mean, patch. not monkey-patch, in your definition. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's why I always told my students: use the right words, the right >>>>> names, >>>>> the right terminologies all the times, because otherwise people won't >>>>> understand you. :) >>>>> >>>>> Monkey-patching in JavaScript and other dynamic-typed languages has a very >>>>> specific definition: changing some function by overriding it through code >>>>> in >>>>> runtime. The source code is *not* changed. Patching, in the source code >>>>> sense, is something completely different, because it doesn't occur in >>>>> runtime, being done on the source itself. What you're doing is patching, >>>>> but >>>>> not monkey-patching at all. >>>>> >>>>> According to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_patch: >>>>> >>>>> A monkey patch is a way to extend or modify the run-time code of dynamic >>>>> languages without altering the original source code. This process has also >>>>> been termed duck punching.[1] >>>>> >>>>> Regarding the gains of using CoffeeScript: I've never used it, so I cannot >>>>> answer that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Howard M. Lewis Ship >>>> >>>> Creator of Apache Tapestry >>>> >>>> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to >>>> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! >>>> >>>> (971) 678-5210 >>>> http://howardlewisship.com >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Howard M. Lewis Ship >> >> Creator of Apache Tapestry >> >> The source for Tapestry training, mentoring and support. Contact me to >> learn how I can get you up and productive in Tapestry fast! >> >> (971) 678-5210 >> http://howardlewisship.com > > > > -- > Howard M. 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