True; perhaps the logic could be changed such that the VT is not
stored in the session ... oh, I know a good way to do that, actually
(a proxy to the real validation delegate).  Add an issue and we'll see
if we can get that to work ... it would be a big performance boost for
a typical form (that submits succesfully).

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Josh Canfield <j...@thedailytube.com> wrote:
> Is there a reason the form needs to persist data when it hasn't been
> submitted? perhaps ValidationTracker should be null until it's needed.
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <hls...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The mostly likely culprit is the use of a Form component, which stores
>> its ValidationTracker object (by default) in  session, creating a
>> session as needed.
>>
>> You can bind the tracker parameter of the Form component to a simple,
>> non-persistent, property of type ValidationTracker.  Your only
>> problem, then, is dealing with server-side input validation errors ...
>> the tracker exists to capture user input and validation errors from
>> the from submit request so that that information can be presented on
>> the subsequent page render request.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM, robinwilson2 <rwils...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We are running a high-volume environment on a 4 server tomcat cluster. Every
>>> so often (about 1 time per month) during peak load times, our Tomcats will
>>> start to thrash on garbage collection. We've traced the problem down to the
>>> sessions being created are taking up all the heap space - even though the
>>> vast majority of sessions are unnecessary because the user is completely
>>> unauthenticated at the time the session is created.
>>>
>>> We have a 6GB heap space on each server - but the authenticated users take
>>> up less then 1/10th of this space, the rest is going to unauthenticated
>>> users.
>>>
>>> We have tuned our session durations down for unauthenticated users to 1
>>> seconds, but we can still encounter loads that generate sessions for
>>> unauthenticated users so fast that we run out of heap. (Not because we
>>> generate sessions faster than they are being expired - but because Tomcat's
>>> expiration code is very slow, so "old" (past expiration time) sessions
>>> linger for more than an hour during peak load.
>>>
>>> To us, the ideal solution would be to not create sessions if the user is
>>> unauthenticated. We're using Tapestry 5.1.05, and we can't figure out how to
>>> make a page that does not create a session in Tapestry. Can someone point us
>>> in the direction of the documentation on this (if there is any)?
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