You're being deliberately obtuse and Trollish, Rob. You have been on
this list long enough to know that the IoC infrastructure is a
separate sub-project. I use it in a framework of my own, completely
independently of the web-framework. The AOP features are are used by
the web framework, but are part of the infrastructure. And even if it
was in the web framework, it's not bloat given the nature and size of
the implementation.
Go away. All you do is complain without providing critique. You have
one or two good "meta" critiques, and you have made them, most on this
list have agreed, and you never shut up about it. You have an agenda,
which should be clear to all by a light reading of the history.
As to T5's releasability, I already have three clients using Tapestry
in apps nearing production. It's stable enough for release, it merely
doesn't have all the features some people want for it to be "done
enough". It's been "releasable quality" for two versions now, as my
customers see it. You might argue with it, but who the heck are
you? I'll go with my own and my clients' architects analysis of T5
vs. other (yes even more "mature") frameworks. Do they have
problems? Yes. But they have no more problems than when they started
using Struts back in the day. Mostly they're not problems of T5, but
of understanding how to properly use the new framework given their old
habits and assumptions. And they all agree that the learning curve on
T5 is way shorter.
Cheers,
Christian.
On 2-May-08, at 05:14 , Rob Smeets wrote:
Howard,
You're bundling an AOP into T5 core- a mere webframework? This is
insane.
Howard, Webframework is simple and it seems you keep on over-
engineering
something this simple. Well, when are you going to bundle a CORBA
implementation?
This guy is always coming up with an excuse not to release T5. By
the time
T5 goes final, maybe in 3 years, it'll be the biggest hairy beast
we've ever
seen. This is all insanity to the power 64.
Rob
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I can't wait to see what you put together using the new method advice
support in 5.0.12; it makes doing interesting things with methods and
annotations much, much easier.
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Geoff Callender
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,
JumpStart 3.6 is now available. It's for Tapestry 5.0.11. New in
this
release:
* Wizards - 3 styles explored: with form fragments, with
components,
and with separate pages.
* Conversations - implemented in the wizards to handle the
Back
and
Reload buttons and sessions shared by new windows.
* Conversations List - shows your conversations and lets you
jump to
them.
* Session Display - see what objects are in your session.
* Autocomplete Mixin - see it in action.
* The Select component - new and better examples.
You'll find JumpStart at:
http://files.doublenegative.com.au/jumpstart
The implementation of conversations is my own invention and has not
been
used in anger. I'm sure it could be improved, eg. with
annotations. I
pray
that it doesn't have any holes in it, and I look forward to any
contributions that will help it along.
As always, comments and suggestions are encouraged. Be helpful or
brutal -
I don't care which - because it all helps to make this stuff more
useful.
Cheers,
Geoff Callender
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