> There's a spectrum of frameworks out there. I think Tapestry 5 
> scores high marks across the board, from tiny to giant projects 
> and the notes I've been collecting form users back that up. 
> I can't quite see writing GMail in Tapestry 5 (but then again, 
> GMail isn't written in GWT either).

Tapestry 5 + GWT is quite a very good team. Using Tapestry 5 to provide
the server side and use several GWT components (some spanning 
a full page) for the view part is a way to go for productivity. 
Even using a single page to provide all GWT-RPC services in a 
per service rather than a per servlet fashion plays very well.

> And past a certain point, I think no HTML app, no matter how much 
> Ajax pixie dust has been sprinkled on it, can match against Flex 
> in terms of user experience.

Well almost right... :-) If it would be more responsible to user 
actions (main critic I guess). Sadly Sun slept and Flash won. Flex
shows what JApplet could have been - just a success story. :-8


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Howard Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. März 2008 18:40
An: Tapestry users
Betreff: Re: Tapestry at my company

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Darío Vasconcelos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The thing that bothers me is,
>
>  I'm pretty sure that the Wicket community is misrepresented by this 
> little  troll, and he's probably laughing every time he checks this 
> mailing list to  see what kind of responses happened as a result to 
> his last dull  characterization as a genuine Tapestry user.
>
>  Nevertheless, whoever this guy is, he's assuming that people will 
> feel  offended by Wicket's technical superiorities over Tapestry or 
> that, by  getting angry responses, people will fly away from Tap. I'm 
> sure world  domination is not in Howard's agenda nor in ours, and 
> proliferation of a

Actually, the name of my corporation is "TWD, Inc." and I'll let you guess what 
that stands for :-)

>  framework has never been a consequence of nice and gentle mailing 
> lists  (think Hibernate, Rails). We all just want to use a tool that 
> helps us build  and maintain better sites with less work.

There's a spectrum of frameworks out there. I think Tapestry 5 scores high 
marks across the board, from tiny to giant projects and the notes I've been 
collecting form users back that up. I can't quite see writing GMail in Tapestry 
5 (but then again, GMail isn't written in GWT either). And past a certain 
point, I think no HTML app, no matter how much Ajax pixie dust has been 
sprinkled on it, can match against Flex in terms of user experience.



>
>  So come on, let this guy write his provocations alone in the desert. 
> The  list is meant to help us all understanding better the 
> funcionality and  possibilities of Tapestry -and of course, help each 
> other-, not to serve as  a PR tool. The Tapestry list has always been 
> full of bright and nice people,  that take time from their own 
> schedules to help others, not zealots trying  to fight some religious war 
> over their framework of choose.
>
>  Regards,
>
>  On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Chris Lewis 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  wrote:
>
>
>
>  > You were wrong. We are both arrogant and hostile, so piss off and 
> be  > gone with ya!
>  >
>  > Rob Smeets wrote:
>  > > Guys,
>  > >
>  > > I hoped you would rally behind me and offer some ideas to 
> counterfight  > my  > > colleagues. Rather you are calling me names. I 
> am very dissapointed and  > hope  > > you will all one day grow up. I 
> thought the Tapestry community have nice  > > people. You have proved 
> to be very arrogant and bad tempered. I hope to  > be  > > the LAST 
> newbie wanting to jump onto the Tapestry bandwagon and that the  > > 
> others reading this would all drop off Tapestry like flies.
>  > >
>  > > Have a nice day.
>  > >
>  > > Rob
>  > >
>  > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Stroeber, Andreas <  > > 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >> I suggest scheme.
>  > >>
>  > >> The more people grow up, the more they behave childish.
>  > >>
>  > >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----  > >>  > >>> For trolls such 
> as yourself... I'd suggest you adopt struts 1 to  > >>> ensure maximum 
> pain.
>  > >>>
>  > >> Plain servlets and JSPs would be even better!
>  > >>
>  > >> 
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>
>
>  --
>  "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."
>  Henry J. Tillman
>



-- 
Howard M. Lewis Ship

Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind

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