I think we all agree that tapestry is generally amazing. And these
threads are really just nit-picks :)
So I'll go ahead and say that I kinda side with trying to use spring
instead of reinventing the wheel.
Though it's more important to get Tapestry to work, and part of that is
to make sure that it comes to life as Howard envisions it (since it is
strongly tied to his visions and efforts). And when spring doesn't have
all of the magic that Howard envisions. But I kinda wish that spring
was up to the part (and looking more and more at the docs, it seems to
be getting closer, adding more and more support for less and less xml,
and more module/hot loading).
But my guess is that using a different IoC system is really hurting
adoption of tapestry. If tapestry could really integrate well with
spring, then it could be more easily understood/picked up/recommended by
A LOT more people. And the path to adoption from other frameworks could
be smaller..
but then again, maybe it's just a flawed prediction :)
happy holidays everyone!
Mohammad Shamsi wrote:
I Agree with you on this but i have my own problems too.
I have about 6 years experience on working with Java Web Frameworks. such
as Struts, JSF , WebWorks...
I found that Tapestry (especially T5) is Much Better than others, but its
development process is so slow and unpredictable. I think that is because of
focusing varies things instead of just a little but efficient web framework.
if you take a look at Spring, you will find that it is very simple and
efficient in service layer.
it has very nice and simple integration with Hibernate, JPA and other ORMs.
just in presentation layer, there is no good tools or framework here.
I think tapestry could be a great Framework here.
if it focus on this layer and increase its development speed.
lack of documents, tutorials and IDE support is Tapestry problems too.
On Dec 26, 2007 3:12 PM, Chris Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I couldn't disagree with you more. For people like you who are familiar
with spring, you may think the ioc part of T5 is a waste of time. That
makes sense if you use and are happy with spring. For people like me
it's a completely different story. I have been working with java for
years - on the desktop. I've been doing web work for almost as long and
have specifically avoided java because its approach has always seemed
far too heavy, restrictive, and ungraceful for web development. I
briefly looked at a framework here and there over the years because I
enjoyed java as a language, but each time I resorted to another
technology because each one I looked at made me laugh. Granted I was a
bit naive at the time, but still I had to wonder if those framework
developers actually developed web sites/applications with their
frameworks, or instead thought it would be funny to see how many poor
suckers would fall into the tangle of complications they created.
Recently a project I stepped into reached a point of critical mass, and
using java made sense even if complicated. I resolved to find a
framework that, while maybe more complicated than I prefer, would
prevent me from succumbing to my urges to hang myself in the shower.
This is getting long so I'll cut it short. Getting started with T5 was
easy, as I am familiar with maven and eclipse. The docs are still a
little lacking, but I'm not afraid of source code or contributing code
and/or articles. As I'm not familiar with spring I don't share your
perspective. I loath the (ab/mis)use of xml that has been happening for
years, especially in 'enterprise' environments, so I never got into
spring. I am not bashing it as I can't rightfully judge something I
haven't used, but I can say that starting w/ T5 was cake, and I see no
hole that needs filling by something like spring.
Again this is my perspective - use what works best for you.
chris
Mohammad Shamsi wrote:
Dear Friends,
With this abilities that all we know about Frameworks like Spring,
is there any need to Tapestry Focus on providing Hibernate Integration
Tools
or Tapestry IOC ?
i read Howards Documents about need for new Ioc for Tapestry, but i
still
think that using Spring Ioc and Spring XML files is much easier than
coding
it with Java Code
On Dec 26, 2007 1:35 PM, Arve Klev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
T5 + Spring is in my opinion a very good choose. I let Spring integrate
ORM
(Hibernate, JDBC, TopLink, etc).
sincerely, Arve Klev
2007/12/24, Mohammad Shamsi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Hi All,
i want to start new Java EE projecct, Formerly we used Spring +
Struts
in
our projects.
after about 4 month testing and reading about Tapestry 5, i decide to
use
Tapestry 5 instead of Struts.
i read some limitations of tapestry-spring module in its home page
and
i
have no problem with them.
is it any other limitation in using T5 + Spring ?
does anyone have experience in T5 + Spring ?
--
sincerely yours
M. H. Shamsi
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