I am supporting my family with Tapestry 5, and I don't know it half as
well as some of the people on this list.  It's also the only web
framework I've ever used, so I didn't have to go through the
"unlearning" stage.  (That's not to say I don't swim against the
current from time to time!)

Daniel Jue

On 9/17/07, Charles Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 9/17/07, Christian Gruber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, so far I'm just learning T5, but have been having quite a bit of
> > success with the live class reloading.  As stated, it only reloads
> > live for components/pages/mixins, and not model classes and others,
> > but given the incredibly short restart time on a T5 app with Jetty,
> > even that's ok.  But when it comes to the actual designing of pages
> > and components, I make a change, hit reload (on the browser) and it
> > magically changes.
> >
>
> I can second that. Class Reloading has saved me a massive amount of
> time and increased my productivity no end. Plus although its only the
> core tapestry related classes that get the live reloading, without the
> masses of XML config the tapestry start up time under Jetty is only a
> couple of seconds. I have to wait at least 15 seconds before my T4
> apps appear.
>
> T5 is still fairly rough around the edges, for instance some doc types
> don't appear to be honoured correctly and not all of the generated
> HTML validates correctly (although appears to work OK in the major
> browsers).
>
> I can certainly see it being indispensable for my web projects in to
> the future. For the time being I am using it for some of our internal
> projects (where I know I can support it my self in production),
> although also partly as a learning / evaluation process. Although its
> currently Alpha most of the core stuff is at least beta standard. What
> makes it alpha is the lack of certain features AJAX for instance, and
> the knowledge that Howard & Co are still wanting the chance to make
> some fairly sizeable changes that my break apps with the final
> version. For some of our internal projects we only need the T5 Core
> and we don't have problem updating them later as there's no client to
> hand it over to on a certain date.
>
> Of course the difficult decision we will face soon, is for big
> projects. Do we start now with the alpha build of T5 know / hoping it
> will grow around us as T5 nears completion, or do you play it safe
> with T4 knowing that the whole projects core is out of date almost
> straight away, and accepting the big app reloading productivity hit.
>
> That's my thoughts any way.
>
> Charlie
>
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