Am 02.09.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
>> as explained above:
>>
>> * the users don't want to see clear spam at all
>> * in many countries *you must* reject before-queue
>> * frankly, where i live for drop a accepted messages
>>    you can go up to 2 years *in jail*
> 
> This is really getting silly

yes, your response

> Once you accept DATA on the SMTP handshake so you can 
> read the Subject: line you have accepted the message 
> whether you queue it or not. 

bullshit - the is a "END-OF-DATA" response in the SMTP
protocol and if what you say would be true even a basic
postfix reject on headers would not work

the prerequisite to discuss about high level MTA
technology is that you understand basics but you
even fail to distinct between data and headers
nor do you realize how a SMTP session works

just get a proper MTA, enable debug logging
and watch the commands / responses between
client and server due a message transmission

> Failing to properly TCP close or whatever other trick 
> you want to use to claim you haven't accepted it is 
> semantics used to fool the fools. When you issue 
> the OK to the DATA then you have accepted it

that is *pure bullshit* beccause the milters job
is *not* issue the OK at end of data and that
is why it is running as a milter

realize what i say now is as polite as possible:
please shut up until RTFM or at least try it out yourself

a simple PHP formmailer using "phhmailer" in SMTP mode and
a proper setup is enough to test the behavior, if you are
not above the score "phpmailer" gives back 'true' and in
case you hit the "-r 8" is spamass-milter you get 'false'
and even the response

Sep  2 13:44:35 *** postfix/cleanup[24670]: 3hnRJz1NNVz1w: milter-reject: 
END-OF-MESSAGE from
unknown[173.232.204.100]: 5.7.1 Blocked by SpamAssassin; from=<**> to=<**> 
proto=ESMTP helo=<**>

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