On 03/09/2011 12:37 AM, haman...@t-online.de wrote:

I have a friend that puts out a 'barter' list.  He acts as a
clearinghouse for some equipment wholesalers.

He has been fighting getting tagged as spamming for some time and
finally came to me for help.  I had helped some, but finally told him to
add me to his distribution (he uses BCC lists; he has ~2000
wholesalers).  I have spamassassin running with postfix and pretty much
a default setup, and of course his notes got tagged as spam.  Below is
what I pulled out of the headers.  Were do I go to learn what these mean
and what he can do to 'clean up' his messages?

Oh, and I am looking at setting up a mailman server for him as an
announce list.

Yes, score=10.206 tagged_above=2 required=4    tests=[BAYES_50=0.8,
EXCUSE_REMOVE=3.299, FILL_THIS_FORM=0.001,    FILL_THIS_FORM_LONG=3.404,
HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001,    MANY_SPAN_IN_TEXT=2.7,
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no

Yes, score=8.856 tagged_above=2 required=4 tests=[AWL=1.350,
BAYES_50=0.8, EXCUSE_REMOVE=3.299, FILL_THIS_FORM=0.001,
FILL_THIS_FORM_LONG=3.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001,
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=no

Hi,

it seems your friend is putting stuff on the newsletter that SA considers as
signs of commercial mass mails
EXCUSE_REMOVE=3.299
FILL_THIS_FORM_LONG=3.404

Your friend is probably doing right (the REMOVE bit might be required by law)
Maybe the "fill_this_form" part could be avoided, by directing the reader to
a website instead

He has unsubscribe instructions at the end directing people to email him to get off his newsletter. There is no form part there as such.

It is the old dilemma: people subscribe to a newsletter and then let some system
(be it spam filter, or some challenge-response idiocy) intercept them

We gave up a lot running away REALLY FAST from X.400 (yes, I implemented some of that stuff), and with it we got some consequences.

The idea to replace Bcc lists is perfect

Now I've got to get that done.


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