On 16-Dec-2009, at 08:03, Marc Perkel wrote:
> Res wrote:
>> 
>> no whitelist should ever become default part of SA
>> 
>> the day it is, is the day I look elsewhere.
> 
> Why shouldn't white lists become part of SA? Blacklists are part of SA. My 
> hostkarma whitelists are one of the things that keeps me in business because 
> my false positive rates are far far better than SA because of white listing. 
> There are millions of email servers out there that do nothing but send good 
> email 100% of the time that are easy to detect because, unlike spammers, they 
> aren't trying to be evasive. I continue to be of the opinion that SA need 
> more white rules to detect HAM and not just SPAM.

I would say that no COMMERCIAL whitelist should be part of SA. I use 
whitelisting myself, but I'm not going to trust someone who was a financial 
interest in getting mail delivered to me to be diligent in their whitelisting. 
After all, their bean-counters don't see me as the customer because I'm not 
writing them checks.

The fact is I *AM* their customer. The people writing them checks are not, 
they're just their funders. Whitelist companies ha to convince admins to use 
their list. The only way to do that is to have really really really high 
quality lists that really do prevent spam delivery. If I don't use their 
whitelist, and others don't use their whitelist, then their model falls apart 
and they don't make money, but no company is enlightened enough to realise this.


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