> -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Kris Deugau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Inviato: giovedì 27 settembre 2007 18.14 > > Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote: > >> -----Messaggio originale----- > >> Da: Daryl C. W. O'Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> It appears that you selectively missed the part that applies: > >> > >> "You agree that you will use this data only for lawful purposes and > >> that, under no circumstances will you use this data to: (a) [...] or > >> (b) > >> enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that send > queries > >> or > >> data to the systems of Registry Operator or any ICANN-Accredited > >> Registrar, except as reasonably necessary to register domain names > or > >> modify existing registrations." > > > > This means nothing: what is a "high volume"? > > Anything more than a few queries per minute (such as you might generate > by doing lookups one by one, by hand, with a command-line WHOIS client, > or via their web interface). > > > Also, you normally use the > > "whois" command. Isn't it an "automated, electronic process"? > > That depends on how it's called. If you run it from the command line, > by hand, it's not automated. If you call it in a loop from a script > (or, oh, say, something like SA), then it's automated.
Well, I have to manually turn my MX server on and off, sometimes. So, is it SA an automated process? And then, if SA issues a whois request, is it automated? It seems to me that the wording we see in whois replies is too loose to have any meaning... > > These terms comes from early internet ages, when spammers were used > to > > scavenge their data from whois records too. They were meant to > "scare" > > people abusing this service. Today, most domain registrars don't even > public > > e-mail addresses anymore... > > Mmmh. Sort of. The WHOIS system really *isn't* designed for large > volumes of queries the way DNS is - why do you think sa-update or > freshclam use DNS to tell the caller whether there's an update or not? > Why are RBLs made available in DNS form rather than distributing a bare > list of URIs or IP addresses via HTTP? The problem, in fact, is that there is actually no other (easy) way than whois to obtain the data you get by a whois query. The problem is that most registrars do provide a whois interface not because they are tied by an agreement to do so, but rather because they know it is a useful tool which effectively helps in daily registrar-to-registrar communication. At the end, the problem is in the terms by which ICANN delegates TLDs to registrars, I believe. > > What is the source, by the way? Which TLD? > > Aside from the specific wording, that's pretty standard boilerplate for > any registrar's WHOIS service that I've ever seen. > > -kgd
